盈盈一笑间'此贴请转美坛讨论'clash of individualism (West) w. collectivism

As invited by 盈盈一笑间: "此贴请转美坛展开讨论" I posted it here. You might check out the original post from Professor Stone: 

https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/teatime/735427.html 

 

My point was 有象斯有对，对必反其为，有反斯有仇，仇必和而解 - TJKCB - 

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The clash betw/ individualism (West) and collectivism (East)

 

来源: TJKCB 于 2023-11-01 15:37:59 [档案] [博客] [转至博客] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读： 4 次 (1848 bytes)

回答: 旧思维，新文化 由 stonebench 于 2023-11-01 12:15:24

Several themes emerged: The clash betw/ individualism (West) and collectivism (East)

Dichotomy of Western and Eastern Thinking: The text suggests a fundamental contrast between Western and Eastern ways of thinking, particularly in terms of individualism and collectivism.

The concepts of "赛先生" (exploration and conquest) and "德先生" (compromise and cooperation) symbolize different aspects of Western civilization, with the former representing expansion and the latter symbolizing compromise mechanisms.

The clash between individualism and collectivism: The idea that Western development is not solely due to the existence of the two aforementioned concepts but is dependent on the appropriate application and allocation of resources.

Misinterpretation of concepts: The misinterpretation and elevation of certain Western ideals by the Chinese elite, leading to a misunderstanding of the fundamental differences between Western and Eastern ideologies.

The concept of absolute authority: The text discusses the dangers of the misappropriation of authority and the consequences of the absolute authority of human-made principles, as opposed to the more harmonious and cohesive authority derived from a higher power or nature.

The significance of culture and its impact on political and societal ideologies.

The implications of the ongoing struggle between unity and exploration, and the potential consequences of the shift from external expansion to internal conflicts and divisions.

These themes collectively suggest an exploration of the dynamics between different cultural ideologies, the implications of power structures, and the misinterpretation of fundamental concepts, leading to potential societal conflicts and challenges.

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Credits dued to The sources of my inspiration for the post above, are as follows.

• 旧思维，新文化 - stonebench -    (2191 bytes) (36 reads) 11/01/2023  12:15:24 (2)

• 还是要思考这个大一统思维是否窒息民主和科学。 - Dayoufan -   (177 bytes) (7 reads) 11/01/2023  13:04:27

• 在政治上，如果没有向外获利空间，开拓意识就必然内转～～： 西方现有制度的成功很大程度是大航海以来以极低成本占有了大量资源 - 方外居士 -   (0 bytes) (3 reads) 11/01/2023  14:24:06

• 这使得外向开拓获利而不是内卷成为可能。现在的西方仍然在收获这个红利，只是方式变了。 - 方外居士 -   (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/01/2023  14:27:46

• 今后这个制度能否继续下去极大地取决于能否获得新的低成本资源。比如技术的进步让以前的废物变成宝贝。 - 方外居士 -   (0 bytes) (1 reads) 11/01/2023  15:11:19

• 二元对立的思维=(赛先生开拓创收+ 德先生妥协机制后台分利) - TJKCB -    (846 bytes) (10 reads) 11/01/2023  15:05:05

• 有象斯有对，对必反其为，有反斯有仇，仇必和而解 - TJKCB -    (16333 bytes) (3 reads) 11/01/2023  15:23:04 (1)

• we must expand 德先生妥协机制后台分利Two wheels move along - TJKCB -    (432 bytes) (0 reads) 11/01/2023  15:25:13

• 莫非中文不是母语才特别赞中文棒？ - 方外居士 -   (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/01/2023  18:57:52

• 好像是英文比中文好。 - 盈盈一笑间 -    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 11/01/2023  19:31:21

• 也有同感 - 方外居士 -   (0 bytes) (0 reads) 11/01/2023  20:16:16

• The clash betw/ individualism (West) and collectivism (East) - TJKCB -    (1848 bytes) (18 reads) 11/01/2023  15:37:59 (1)

• 此贴请转美坛，展开讨论。：） - 盈盈一笑间 -    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/01/2023  17:50:08

• 对德先生赛先生的新理解 - 盈盈一笑间 -    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 11/01/2023  17:49:03 (1)

• 很有這個原因。但我還是覺得是某种禀性的人才這麽想的。那麽關鍵問題是為什麽這部分人最终在中国勝出，而成為書寫歷史者。 - 中间小谢 -   (354 bytes) (24 reads) 11/01/2023  19:52:48 (1)

• 我相信是因為中國當時恰處於衰微之時，故我下面說的"分流"之中，小智短見成了主流。如果同样的歷史際遇出现在唐宋， - 中间小谢 -   (131 bytes) (12 reads) 11/01/2023  20:30:00 (1)

• “人才由于学术”。传统学术能容许民国这些人的出现，这些人回过身，弄它个断根，再无人才。。。。这是百年史。 - dhyang_wxc -    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/02/2023  08:04:46 (1)

• 楊振寧 梁漱溟 against 民主絕對主義/尺有所短，寸有所長/survival is measured - TJKCB -    (104 bytes) (2 reads) 11/02/2023  09:36:40

• 赞！紧扣内核，简明意赅。也赞同前面石教授客观宽容地看待新文化运动之于中国社会大背景。-：） - 有言 -    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/01/2023  21:57:13 (1)

• 是思维的问题。没有那个思维，巧妇难为无米炊——热气哄哄，红火熊熊，它没米在里面，说什么好？ - dhyang_wxc -    (179 bytes) (9 reads) 11/02/2023  07:58:01 (2)

• 子曰，不可使知之。君臣父子，各歸其位，不可妄思！ - TJKCB -    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 11/02/2023  09:48:59

• 巧妇=米, why only rice? - TJKCB -    (448 bytes) (4 reads) 11/02/2023  09:57:01

• 大概米最便宜吧，对中国人来说。就像一个只会送批萨的，告诉中国人吃米不好。你不能像他一样批评批萨；不能喂给他米吃； - dhyang_wxc -    (345 bytes) (3 reads) 11/02/2023  10:36:01

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