APAD: A bad penny always turns up

What's the meaning of the phrase 'A bad penny always turns up'?

A disreputable or prodigal person will always return. More generally, this proverb refers to the recurrence of any unwanted event.

What's the origin of the phrase 'A bad penny always turns up'?

This proverb has lived long in the language. It derives from the notion that some coins were 'bad', that is, they were debased or counterfeit.

Bad pennyThe 'clipping' of coins was rife in the Middle Ages, long before standardisation of the coinage was reliably enforced. This example from the reign of Edward I shows the degree of 'badness' that pennies then endured.

The term 'bad penny' was established enough in English by the late 14th century for it to have been used in William Langland's famous prose poem The vision of William concerning Piers Plowman, 1370-90:

Men may lykne letterid men... to a badde peny.

The expression continued to be used and, by the 18th century, the proverb as we now know it began to find its way into print. An example is found in 1742 in Henry Fielding's translation of Aristophanes Plutus:

This [the phrase ‘A very bad stamp’] is literal from the Greek... It was a Metaphor taken from their Money. We have a Proverb in English not unlike it, a bad Penny.

What made whoever coined this proverb link bad pennies with the notion of something unwelcome returning isn't now clear. Perhaps it was the sense that, if you clip or pass on a bad penny, it won't be long before it comes back to you in your change. Our present day expression of that would be 'what goes around comes around'.

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what goes around comes around… -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 07:39:06

Did 7G share the similar info. with different proverb before -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 07:40:00

The chickens come home to roost? -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (124 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 07:42:45

记得这个,今天这有怕什么来什么的意思吧? -卫宁- 给 卫宁 发送悄悄话 卫宁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 07:50:50

这个中文翻译挺贴切。是不是都隐含因果循环的意思?:) -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 07:59:48

不觉得,比如怕下雨结果就下雨了。当然如果非要想因果,那就因果吧:)) -卫宁- 给 卫宁 发送悄悄话 卫宁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 08:22:23

what goes around comes around…说的是这句呀:)) -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 08:28:10

The chicken shows up on time. The penny does too, only less -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (24 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:28:06

妙答~~ -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 12:53:52

这句话有点“善有善报”的意思,而“bad penny。。。”却是祸不单行。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:13:08

我这个人,不相信命运、不相信轮回、不相信积德与报应、不相信来世、不相信缘分。。。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:19:13

Stay disbelieving is a great achievement in a world that -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:53:56

keeps trying to force stories down our throats. -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:55:56

My disbelief started when I was a young kid without a reason -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 10:05:24

Endowed with a gift :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 14:45:13

这世上冥冥之中有很多事情,是人不能掌控的。对未知的,持敬畏之心,没错的。敬畏,是智慧的开端。 -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 18:26:41

So writers are bad pennies: disreputable or prodigal :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 09:32:19

福无双至,祸不单行 -Zhuzitaba- 给 Zhuzitaba 发送悄悄话 Zhuzitaba 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 10:16:27

埋下祸害的种子,迟早要爆发。 -天边一片白云- 给 天边一片白云 发送悄悄话 天边一片白云 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2023 postreply 17:50:51

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