对小钊的回应,并等待他的好作品

来源: 聚曦亭 2013-04-24 12:29:27 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (6943 bytes)
因本人不喜欢跟人争论,加上最近很忙,所以本不想对小钊的点评作出具体回应。 Plumber要明天才来,他不来我也做不了什么,今天仔细看了一下小钊的点评,在此作一个简略回应。同时,我还在等待小钊的翻译佳作,希望他不要保守。

小钊点评: 第二段:“就美而言,自然优于打扮,端庄、优雅胜于自然。此系美中极品”,原文motion一词应该指的是言谈举止,而不只是气质的“端庄、优雅”,这就是为什么下文说画不出来,如果仅是端庄优雅的气质,还是能画出来的。“美中极品”也不妥,意思应该是“美之要旨所在”。
聚曦亭说明:真是如此!我们平时常说“举止端庄、优雅”,端庄与优雅正是跟举止搭配的。
 
小钊点评: 第三段:“大美者,其骨骼比例自有某些特征”,“某些特征”不妥,因为特征在中文里意思并不是“特别的征象”,而是feature,原文是指由有异于常人之处、异象。
聚曦亭说明:proportion当然指人体的比例。西方绘画讲究解剖与透视法,所以这里用“骨骼比例”非常恰当。
 
小钊点评:第三段:“此非意指画工无法画出前所未有之好像”,这一句中文读起来有歧义,好像是画工的作品比以前的作品都好,其实原文意思是“画像并非不能胜于本人”。
聚曦亭说明:此两人所追求的就是“前所未有之好像”(to make one excellent)
 
小钊点评: 第四段:“容貌,分而察之,难以悦目;合而观之,却能赏心。”,原文并不是泛指,而是指有些容貌(A man shall see faces你会看到有些脸是这种情况,世间几多容貌),译文变成泛称所有容貌,道理上就讲不通了,因为并不是所有容貌都是分而察之,一无是处。
聚曦亭说明:当然是泛指,所以用A man shall see faces,不带定冠词,不然就要用 the faces!
 
小钊点评: 第四段:"若美貌实出于端庄,温文尔雅之气质随年岁倍增则不足为奇",对motion的理解,见1。
聚曦亭说明:已说明,见上。
 
小钊点评: 第五段:“老年出格”,out of countenance意思和“出格”相反。
聚曦亭说明:小钊看走了眼,countenance在这里不作“面容”解,而作Obsolete . bearing; behavior解,所以译作“出格”。见www.dictionary.com第五条。


 
 
附英译文
 
Of Beauty
论美貌
 
Francis Bacon
弗朗西斯•培根
 
(1561-1626)
 
VIRTUE is like a rich stone, best plain set; and surely virtue is best, in a body that is comely, though not of delicate features; and that 
 
hath rather dignity of presence, than beauty of aspect. Neither is it almost seen, that very beautiful persons are otherwise of great virtue; 
 
as if nature were rather busy, not to err, than in labor to produce excellency. And therefore they prove accomplished, but not of great 
 
spirit; and study rather behavior, than virtue. 
美德如宝石。宝石者,非素雅之镶嵌不能尽显其光彩,故美德之光彩,非俊雅而非娇艳、非端庄而非仅仅美艳之身躯不能尽显。然,大美之人中鲜见美德者,仿
 
佛造化忙不择优,为求无过而舍求至美。此何为美人虽有相貌但乏品性,重外表而轻美德也。
 
But this holds not always: for Augustus Caesar, Titus Vespasianus, Philip le Belle of France, Edward the Fourth of England, Alcibiades of 
 
Athens, Ismael the Sophy of Persia, were all high and great spirits; and yet the most beautiful men of their times. In beauty, that of favor, 
 
is more than that of color; and that of decent and gracious motion, more than that of favor. That is the best part of beauty, which a picture 
 
cannot express; no, nor the first sight of the life. 
然,此非恒理,奥古斯都•凯撒大帝、提图斯•威斯帕咸努斯大帝、法王菲利普、英王爱德华四世、雅典人阿尔西巴阿底斯、波斯王伊斯迈耳皆属其时代品性高尚
 
且相貌极美之人。就美而言,自然优于打扮,端庄、优雅胜于自然。此系美中极品,非绘画所能表达,非一目而能了然。
 
There is no excellent beauty, that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. A man cannot tell whether Apelles, or Albert Durer, were the 
 
more trifler; whereof the one, would make a personage by geometrical proportions; the other, by taking the best parts out of divers faces, to 
 
make one excellent. Such personages, I think, would please nobody, but the painter that made them. Not but I think a painter may make a 
 
better face than ever was; but he must do it by a kind of felicity (as a musician that maketh an excellent air in music), and not by rule. 
大美者,其骨骼比例自有某些特征。阿佩利斯与艾伯特•丢勒一样荒唐,此二者,一人按几何比例、一人取数人面部最佳部位绘极品之美像。而吾以为,此法造像
 
,除画工本人,无人垂爱。此非意指画工无法画出前所未有之好像;而仅指,画工作画不能循规蹈矩,而必须巧思妙创(恰似乐工创作美音那样)。
 
A man shall see faces, that if you examine them part by part, you shall find never a good; and yet altogether do well. If it be true that the 
 
principal part of beauty is in decent motion, certainly it is no marvel, though persons in years seem many times more amiable; pulchrorum 
 
autumnus pulcher; for no youth can be comely but by pardon, and considering the youth, as to make up the comeliness. 
容貌,分而察之,难以悦目;合而观之,却能赏心。若美貌实出于端庄,温文尔雅之气质随年岁倍增则不足为奇。谚曰:“美哉,金秋!”故,若非仗其青春优
 
势,若非观者宽心以待,青年无俊者。
 
Beauty is as summer fruits, which are easy to corrupt, and cannot last; and for the most part it makes a dissolute youth, and an age a little 
 
out of countenance; but yet certainly again, if it light well, it maketh virtue shine, and vices blush.
美貌似夏日之鲜果,易腐,难存;美貌常使青春放浪,老年出格。当然,无须重申,如其辉映美德,必使其增色;如其光照恶行,定使其愧疚。

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