Ratio put spread theoretical max profit/breakeven

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回答: 请教Ratio spread 问题aloevera2025-02-18 11:19:38

Max profit = spread (differennce between two strike) + net credit (when you create the spread)

Breakeven = lower strike price - max profit.

For example, a 300/290 (1:2) put spread with a credit of $5 (300 put cost $9, and 290 put cost $7), its max profit is $10+$5=$15, and breakeven is 290-15=275

If taking stock loss into consideration too,  then 300 to 290 drop is fully protected, breakeven in this case would be 287.5 (ie, $2.5 of the $5 credit protects further stock drop from 290 to 287.5, and another $2.5 of the $5 credit protects the stock that is assigned to you at 290). So, net net, you are protected with $12.5 drop with zero cost. Even better, if you intend to hold stock anyway and dont mind temporary drop, then you are essentially buying more shares at 275 (of course, you lose protection on the existing shares)

If you buy put directly, you pay $9 premiums, and it would only make sense if stock drops to 300-(9+12.5) or lower.

Basically, if you expect stock to drop a lot, ratio put spread is NOT a good idea. But if stock drops modestly, it cuts down the cost a lot.

 

 

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谢三心大侠详细解释! 我觉得她问题的本质是不理解 -任静锅-- 给 任静锅- 发送悄悄话 任静锅- 的博客首页 (243 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 12:00:34

对了,如果直接sell 300 put with $9credit, breakeven 是 $390-$4.5 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 12:13:12

In the case of NVDA, we combine hedge with Elliot wave -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (630 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 13:01:14

My explanation -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (1949 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:21:04

You calculation is not correct, I haven' looked APP -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (144 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:37:48

Try to think it in a simple way which might help u -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (919 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:43:37

Let me put it into a example -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (3992 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:25:43

Sorry, you logic is very confused. Can't help further :) -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:22

Try last time (put the facts here so we are on the same page -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (675 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:41:26

you are confused about "selling 2 puts" -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (560 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:49:07

举个极端的例子,即使APP掉到100,480-465(1:1)的组合任然有$15的价值,所以这个465是永远不会被买进的 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:00:58

这样的话,永远只能赚这$15 max profit. 我是在比较max profit. 也就是哪边hedge 的最大化呀 -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (91 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:11:14

再给你举个极端的例子,你可以卖100 张465的Put contact,那岂不是max profit1更多? -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:14:54

因为put ratio spread 就是卖2张put呀,所以也用2 张put 在selling put only上。 -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (692 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:36:57

I gave up :) -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:41

Sorry for taking up so much of your time! Feel bad。 -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:41:13

After dinner, I relooked at your posts. I think I've got it -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (532 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 20:35:20

要系统的学呀,这样操作太危险 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:15:54

唉,学艺不精见笑,目前先不做这个交易了。 -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (167 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:39

I just looked at your APP -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (239 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:04:25

The premium of 20.8 is for selling put at 465 not at 480. -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (44 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:31

ok, in this case, breakeven is (465- 20.8 + 480) / 2 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:33:33

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