这两天轰动英国的离婚案

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11463632/Delayed-divorce-battle-Ecotricity-founder-Dale-Vinces-New-Age-traveller-ex-wife-wins-payout.html

Delayed divorce battle: Ecotricity founder Dale Vince's New Age traveller ex-wife wins cash fight

Kathleen Wyatt wins right to take her former husband, wind farm entreprener Dale Vince, to court despite not lodging a claim until nearly 20 years after their divorce

 
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Dale Vince and ex-wife Kathleen Wyatt Photo: (PA/National)
 

The ex-wife of a former new-age traveller who later became multi-millionaire wind farm entrepreneur has been told she can bring a claim for financial support from his fortune more than 30 years after their marriage broke down.

Dale Vince, owner of the green energy provider Ecotricity, described the Supreme Court ruling as “mad” and said it would leave people “looking over our shoulders” for decades in case a former partner came after them for a share of money they made later in life.

Divorce lawyers described the ruling in favour of Kathleen Wyatt as “unprecedented” and said it meant spouses could keep their options open “indefinitely” before staking a claim.

But while some said it could “open the floodgates” to “many thousands” of divorces in which financial orders were never finalised being revisited, others said the “extraordinary circumstances” of the case meant it would have only limited implications.

 


Dale Vince has made a fortune from his company Ecotricity

Issuing the judgment, Lord Wilson, sitting with four other Supreme Court Justices, emphasised, crucially, that there is no time limit in law for spouses to make a claim for financial provision.

But he said Ms Wyatt’s case claim, which will now be heard by the Family Court, faces “formidable difficulties” because of her delay in making a claim and the fact that she played no part in his later success.

The court heard how the pair lived together as a couple for just over two years. They met in 1981 when Mr Vince was 19 while Ms Wyatt, who was two years older, already had a daughter, Emily, who is now 36.

They married that December and had a baby boy, Dane, in May 1983. But Mr Vince moved out the following year – although Ms Wyatt insists they did not finally separate until some years later.

He then embarked on eight years of travelling, first in old ambulance-turned-camper van, later switching to a converted fire engine, in which he drove to Spain, where he lived for a year with a new partner.

Ms Wyatt went on to have to more children with another man, living what the judgment describes as a “hand to mouth” existence on benefits and some earnings from low-paid jobs.

 


Mr Vince takes part in the Brighton to London Future Car Challenge

During the subsequent years they met up at Stonehenge, Glastonbury and elsewhere but eventually divorced in 1992. He was not required to pay maintenance because it was agreed he had no money.

But his experience of rigging up an old pylon into a wind-powered telephone at the Glastonbury Festival shortly afterwards paved the way for founding, in 1996 of his wind energy firm. It is now worth an estimated £57 million.

It was not until 2011 that Ms Wyatt lodged a claim for financial support, arguing that he had failed to provide for their son, and her daughter, whom he had effectively accepted into the family.

Although initially given the go-ahead, the claim was blocked by the Court of Appeal which found it had “no real prospect of success” and was an “abuse of process”.

Dale Vince: the wind farm tycoon

But the Supreme Court overturned that decision, noting a requirement under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 to have regard to contributions from each of the parties “to the welfare of the family”, including caring for children, even after a separation.

Lord Wilson said the application had a “real prospect” of “comparatively modest success” and dismissed Ms Wyatt’s claim for a £1.9 million payout as “out of the question”.

Ms Wyatt, 55, said "It's an important judgment."

But Mr Vince, 53, said: "I feel that we all have a right to move on and not be looking over our shoulders. This could signal open season for people who had brief relationships a quarter of a century ago ... it's mad in my opinion."

Mei-Ling McNab, a partner at Brachers says: “This landmark case could open the floodgates for individuals whose former spouses embark on a rags to riches story.”

James Brown, at JMW Solicitors said that he expected "many thousands" of individuals to explore the possibility of also making financial claims against their former partners as a result of the Supreme Court's ruling in Mrs Wyatt's favour.

"The case underlines how there is no limit on when someone can make a claim,” he said.

"It doesn't matter whether you divorce in your twenties and return with a claim when you're 80."

Catherine Thomas, at Vardag’s, said: “I expect a number of similar cases to emerge now the court has ruled that - in effect - a claimant can keep their options open indefinitely.”

But Michael Gouriet, a partner at Withers said: "The extraordinary circumstances of this case make it an extremely rare beast and, as such, it will not open the floodgates on historic claims being reopened and appealed.”

And Julian Ribet at LMP said: “This decision does not mean that all ex-spouses can reopen their financial settlements to have a second bite at the cherry to obtain more.

“It illustrates the importance of obtaining proper legal advice and ensuring that at the time of the divorce the parties obtain a binding court order dealing with the division of their assets.”

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看事实,不要随便总结法律原理。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (354 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:09:59

我觉得可能要翻他的税务单 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (317 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:15:01

不过英国法院倾向去劫富济贫,给国家的social benefit 做贡献,如果她拿到一笔钱,以前的福利可能要返回 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:18:31

为事主争权利叫贪婪?劫富济贫? -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (461 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:38:12

我哪里说贪婪,借这个案子提醒不付或少付孩子maintenance的,这些旧账会come back to bite you -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:46:11

不管有钱没钱,做人第一条是要有人心,有人形,有仁性,活得才放心,舒心, -wolfkiller8- 给 wolfkiller8 发送悄悄话 wolfkiller8 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:09:49

等于没说 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:17:20

嗯,是的, -wolfkiller8- 给 wolfkiller8 发送悄悄话 wolfkiller8 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:29:27

没错-当时草草同意他不用负责估计也没有经过律师建议。抚养孩子的责任是不可推卸的。 -mandywu99- 给 mandywu99 发送悄悄话 mandywu99 的博客首页 (288 bytes) () 03/13/2015 postreply 14:39:53

说轰动,只是这个案例的男主角是个一夜暴富的奇葩, -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (569 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:17:41

美国各州对于抚养费追诉的法律不同,起码加州没有时间限制。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (325 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:21:54

楼主发帖的本意可能是想说,有钱的主们(英国的)当心了,小心前配偶来挖你的钱, -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (66 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:45:24

我所在的州孩子成年之后10年。但是要有离婚时候的协议已经定好的数额加利息。 -路是走出来的- 给 路是走出来的 发送悄悄话 路是走出来的 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:09:31

这个案子还有一个看点是 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (321 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:56:09

不知道英国如何,但美国是要有正式收养手续,才能成为法律意义上的继父子关系,否则社会学意义的继父对继子没有抚养责任。 -wolfkiller8- 给 wolfkiller8 发送悄悄话 wolfkiller8 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:05:51

看来你这次报了上面的一箭之仇,哈。 -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (81 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:28:39

哈哈,我是改正错误,不乱说废话了。 -wolfkiller8- 给 wolfkiller8 发送悄悄话 wolfkiller8 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:32:11

He has to adopt her separately -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (839 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:08:59

在英国,如果你和带孩子的单亲母亲同居了,你必须保证那个孩子的wellbeing -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (117 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 11:00:45

等于没说 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 11:59:56

难道和亲生母亲结婚,还没有父亲的资格么?这是美国 -慧惠- 给 慧惠 发送悄悄话 慧惠 的博客首页 (411 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:01:31

你没看懂,打回去重看。:) -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:22:28

哪里没看懂? -慧惠- 给 慧惠 发送悄悄话 慧惠 的博客首页 (321 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:32:37

你混淆了一般的custody right和正式的adoption的区别,看这里: -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (143 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:36:57

你只有正式adopt 继子, 才彻底没有生父(母)什么事,在英国是这样的: -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (632 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:00:06

Adoption是正式程序,一般都是accept,中文称既成事实 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:10:43

不要再讨论下去了,秀才遇到兵,俺逃了。:) -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:15:58

搞得我也懒得深究下去 -慧惠- 给 慧惠 发送悄悄话 慧惠 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:36:41

你是没有把法律上的监护权和法律上的父亲区分开来, -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (523 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 14:19:09

我没区分开,是根据这个案子的缘由,我不明白,是因为不懂为什么争议这么大 -慧惠- 给 慧惠 发送悄悄话 慧惠 的博客首页 (716 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 14:59:35

俺只负责解释你上面提到的legal custody的疑问,其它的看柠檬大侠是否在方便的时候予以解答。 -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 15:29:12

就是他的回答莫名其妙,我才有了这些提问。人家没要遗产和赡养费,adopt还是不adopt有什么关系 -慧惠- 给 慧惠 发送悄悄话 慧惠 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 16:10:37

谢谢捞月,所以这个富翁有对前面那个女孩,不是他亲生的抚养义务,特别是他经济情况好转的情况下 -lookatme..- 给 lookatme.. 发送悄悄话 lookatme.. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:25:15

你弄混淆了吧,俺没有说支持你的观点啊。如果他对那女孩有正式的adoption, 则是另外一回事。 -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (171 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:32:39

其实这篇文章对将来会不幸离婚的人们儿最值得吸取教训的就是最后那个聪明人奉送那个takeaway: -水中捞月- 给 水中捞月 发送悄悄话 水中捞月 的博客首页 (364 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:41:19

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