Strange situation

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I looked at last 50 years, housing market slump was always behind a big job loss. In fact, past slumps had been caused by job loss on a local scale without exception.

This time something strange is happening. Job picture seems to be fine. Big conglomerate companies are making huge monies on a global scale. Weak dollars are helping them sell at a competitive pricing. Exports are growing. Definitely, we can conclude that this housing slump is not caused by the traditional factor: Job loss. Is it caused by subprime credit crunch? No, because this slump started in late 2005 and early 2006, long before the subprime became a problem. The subprime issue simply worsened the slump but it was not the cause.

It's also very strange that 20 months after the housing recession, the general economy has been chugging along very fine, only until very recently, it appears that the housing recession is dragging Wall Street into a credit crunch, it potentially trigger the economy into a recession.

As a serious observer, we would like to identify cause and effect. In the past, the cause was always a weakening economy triggering a job loss, then triggering housing slump, like the late 70s, late 80s. The housing recession then was a effect, never a cause. This time around, the order is reversed, housing market got itself into a recession, then triggered a credit crunch, then potentially trigger a recession in general economy (not happened yet). Today, the effect became the cause. That's the weird part of it.

Maybe the housing cycle has a life of its own, like a precise timer, or like an automatic pressure relief valve, it must reset itself to avoid over heating.

Some say it's 1990 all over again. But the cause and effect is entirely reversed. I have a gut feeling that this time, a healthy global economy may come back to benefit US in a surprise way.

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Very nice write up, but... -Frontline- 给 Frontline 发送悄悄话 Frontline 的博客首页 (39 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:38:29

回复:Very nice write up, but... -说事- 给 说事 发送悄悄话 说事 的博客首页 (47 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 21:05:58

A good example is when you listen to a nice foreign song:) -Frontline- 给 Frontline 发送悄悄话 Frontline 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 08:20:14

this time is caused by easy credit which is the -pediatrician2- 给 pediatrician2 发送悄悄话 pediatrician2 的博客首页 (1411 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:40:23

agree with this analysis. -crazydog- 给 crazydog 发送悄悄话 (386 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:45:54

You brought up a nice point: Inflation must catch up housing pri -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (738 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:58:45

Your logic is not convincing enough :-) -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (1044 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:51:50

回复:Your logic is not convincing enough :-) -pediatrician2- 给 pediatrician2 发送悄悄话 pediatrician2 的博客首页 (1471 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 16:59:15

回复:回复:Your logic is not convincing enough :-) -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (1443 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:11:39

well, all of your confusing words can be summrized -pediatrician2- 给 pediatrician2 发送悄悄话 pediatrician2 的博客首页 (274 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:19:26

Thanks, we are basically on the same page :-) -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:22:01

太精彩了,二位, DDD! -左右逢源- 给 左右逢源 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 20:35:17

The key point is what caused over 100% increase in the 4 years -playForever- 给 playForever 发送悄悄话 (990 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:24:55

Secondary causes versus primary cause -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (632 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:32:50

顶大师们的讨论,受益匪浅。只是在这个坛子,我不敢发言 -笛笛- 给 笛笛 发送悄悄话 笛笛 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 17:40:23

顶是一种非常严肃的发言 -屋漏痕- 给 屋漏痕 发送悄悄话 屋漏痕 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 06:28:40

all you are saying is 'this time is different'. -tafa- 给 tafa 发送悄悄话 (148 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 19:30:00

Please don't follow my post 'cause I don't find interested -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (28 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 19:47:50

afraid of being commented? just stop writing. -tafa- 给 tafa 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 20:27:41

No, not that. The problem with you is: -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (1023 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 06:43:24

I just pointed out your wrong prediction. -tafa- 给 tafa 发送悄悄话 (4398 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 11:02:52

and miat's ba prediction of may 2007- -tafa- 给 tafa 发送悄悄话 (121 bytes) () 11/02/2007 postreply 23:30:45

阳光底下没有新鲜事。只不过是财富重分配而已。 -SNY- 给 SNY 发送悄悄话 (381 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 20:13:46

your writing is short and clear- -tafa- 给 tafa 发送悄悄话 (70 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 20:23:41

Small investors speculating about the economy will -dividend_growth- 给 dividend_growth 发送悄悄话 dividend_growth 的博客首页 (35 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 20:20:41

It's very inspiring. Thanks for sharing. -芦苇葱葱- 给 芦苇葱葱 发送悄悄话 芦苇葱葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 21:24:55

Good thinking -凌空长老- 给 凌空长老 发送悄悄话 凌空长老 的博客首页 (306 bytes) () 10/31/2007 postreply 23:16:42

回复:Strange situation -zzz555- 给 zzz555 发送悄悄话 (100 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 13:57:40

don't understand your points -miat42- 给 miat42 发送悄悄话 miat42 的博客首页 (97 bytes) () 11/01/2007 postreply 20:32:23

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