can some one come knock me out?

as I mostly concentrated in residential rentals, never really study much on commercial stuff, after I came across this auction the other day, I can't keep my mind off it, so decide to look into it more.

this city itself, about 50k population, but there are 4 this size city group together, make up as the 2nd biggest city in Indiana. 

The main reason I am interest in the building is, it has a pizza hut, from Google, I can't really tell much, so I decide to drive there, its about 35 miles away, and take a more close look.  This pizza hut is only a carry out one, no sit down options.  its been in same location since 1990, there are total of 3 pizza hut in this town.

I requested a copy of lease from auction company, whom I dealt with before, pizza hut is on its 3rd renew option right now, original rent is 1500, current rent till 11/2014, is $2348, there are 2 more options available for automatic extension, 2014 is 2738, 2016 - 2021, is 3012.

the structure, is somewhat in poor shape, the office next to pizza, was lease to UAW local, then the building owner has the video shop, which actually is a pawn shop, will be closing this month, and the back is a empty warehouse.

this can also be a story of a failure landlord, this is a sheriff sale, at the same time, will auction off another retail building he own across the stree. (pic below)

the location of it is superb, 2 block wast, across the river is the new downtown, many small shops, and city park, and many newer commercial structure, some still under construction.

approaching from west side..

west side..

1 block east of it, has Martin's Supermarket, CVS, starbucks, teacher's credit union, Verizon, bunch of small shops, of course, a chinese buffet.

Approaching from east side..

to the north.. this is one shopping strip...

this is other shopping strip, and chase bank.

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老大,要不您在这店外猫一天,看看它每天卖多少匹萨。如果它生意好,它应该会续约吧? -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (55 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 17:57:57

did my $10 pizza already.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (143 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 18:01:41

这个地产值210918.79+land。 -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (218 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:27:16

what is the discount rate you used to get this figure? -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:40:16

I used 5%. I read the average good commercial property is 5-8% r -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:55:13

my plan is to risk 150k at most... -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:24:23

Even that maybe too much: take out taxes, vacancies, insurance.. -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:44:06

agree, this deal is completely base on the pizzahut lease.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (282 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:55:27

location is good -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (324 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 18:05:01

能否和PIZZA HUT的老板和店员谈谈呢,要一份收益报告,和未来的打算。 -SunshineInCA- 给 SunshineInCA 发送悄悄话 (299 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 18:34:46

Average pizza store volume is 1/2m. -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (257 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:09:25

这比做地主得利多 -SunshineInCA- 给 SunshineInCA 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:10:21

一般小零售至少需要1/4M才能活。我忘了减2k折旧了。 -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:13:51

中餐外卖只需要150K就行。 -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:16:23

should be much lower than 18K. -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:14:51

同意,但钱哪去了. 0.5m/y 是行业的统计。 -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:18:19

我认为labor可能得加50%,就是7K。material得加25%,就是2K。rent应该在5-6K,所以顶多3K盈利。 -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:30:35

合理,这样利润少了快一半 -SunshineInCA- 给 SunshineInCA 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:48:35

这就叫看过来啊看过去,拿得起放不下。呵呵。感情问题自己解决。 -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:07:09

显然不是一见钟情类,需要继续了解,呵呵。 -SunshineInCA- 给 SunshineInCA 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 19:35:44

Business or the building? -美蓝海- 给 美蓝海 发送悄悄话 美蓝海 的博客首页 (329 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:11:05

building only.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (99 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:26:34

回复:Go for it -jzc- 给 jzc 发送悄悄话 (115 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:41:30

the problem is if pizzahut move.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (39 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:58:02

remodel it to apts. -sweetptt- 给 sweetptt 发送悄悄话 sweetptt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 21:02:33

美国的中小城市历史上潮流都是新区一下子兴起,整个旧区被淘汰, -梁山sl- 给 梁山sl 发送悄悄话 梁山sl 的博客首页 (107 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:31:20

good point.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:41:25

come on, follow your heart, take some risk, this way you will fe -qiaoshe- 给 qiaoshe 发送悄悄话 qiaoshe 的博客首页 (18 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:14:25

haha, no easy money anymore... -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 20:27:06

Do not buy this building.... -犀利妹妹- 给 犀利妹妹 发送悄悄话 犀利妹妹 的博客首页 (547 bytes) () 04/17/2012 postreply 23:11:18

all solid good points.. -jy101- 给 jy101 发送悄悄话 jy101 的博客首页 (376 bytes) () 04/18/2012 postreply 07:24:20

回复:can some one come knock me out? -cajungirl- 给 cajungirl 发送悄悄话 (302 bytes) () 04/19/2012 postreply 08:24:25

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