从1940.6到1944.6，欧州大陆上能正面对阵，打败并拖死德军的就是苏联的军队了。

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• my views on "苏联独自在欧洲战场打败希特勒" -Giantfan- ♂ (1027 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:28:52

• 1940.5.27-6.4.德国空军攻势猛烈，敦克尔克之后，西欧陆上的抵抗活动陷入最艰难的时刻，这也就是后来丘吉尔 -诺爸- ♂ (360 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:45:53

• yeah, combined efforts. -Giantfan- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:48:32

• 1981年，英国人审批的历史课本，讲到第二次世界大战，把苏联和中国放在一起， -诺爸- ♂ (260 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:05:14

• 说起美国的参战，英国国防部曾经在大约1996-97吧，拒绝为”拯救大兵瑞恩“，提供方便， -诺爸- ♂ (303 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:27:31

• We don't learn histroy from watching movies. Most of the movies -Giantfan- ♂ (29 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:58:51

• 是的。 -诺爸- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 20:08:34

• 假设性问题，就没什么可争得了.。而英美长时间拒绝(不敢)开设第二战场是事实 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:55:40

• 41年中到44年D-day,只有苏军在欧洲战场与希特勒作战也是事实 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:56:59

• so naval battles and air battles were not counted? What about -Giantfan- ♂ (113 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:14:06

• 这些和中国的1931-1945抗战很像，都是最后胜利的一部分， -诺爸- ♂ (302 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:28:37

• I said the Allied brought down Hitler with combined efforts & -Giantfan- ♂ (507 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:48:26

• 啊，没有这个意思，：-）可能是和大家以前的学习背景有异，所以 -诺爸- ♂ (367 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:07:49

• Again I am not mad & dont worry about that at all (under any -Giantfan- ♂ (357 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:27:27

• ：-）谢谢，有道理（日本，。。） ：-） -诺爸- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:56:54

• Navy and Air battles do count. But the land battles were much mo -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (784 bytes) () 05/14/2009 postreply 22:27:41

• 若Giantfan认为假设英美帮助德意日更合理，尽可保留你的观点 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:01:39

• 也可能是因为我上面写的不好，我说的”苏联打败德军“指的是 -诺爸- ♂ (166 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:11:00

• 我完全同意你关于中流砥柱的观点。我的帖子不是和你争论的 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/14/2009 postreply 22:35:36

• I hate "what-if" scenario too. What I did was to show the -Giantfan- ♂ (764 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:23:06

• I also gave out truck as example. Both the Russians and the -Giantfan- ♂ (284 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:27:03

• 有关“资源的”一点，也就当时很多国家以为德国不会在东西两线“同时开战” -诺爸- ♂ (395 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:44:38

• Yes, but the war would have been for ten years and the Russians -ThreeMeals- ♂ (31 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 18:12:52