my views on "苏联独自在欧洲战场打败希特勒"

I want to state the situation from different perspective.

Let me assume that Nazi Germany allied with the US and Great Britain.

1. Royal air force fought against the Russian air force instead (the Russian AF were basically wiped out by the Germans in 1941 anyway). The US would bomb the Russian cities instead of the Germans'.

2. Battle of Atlantic didn't happen & Africa was under control of Germany and the Great Britain. The Germans got shipments of precious war materials from Africa & trucks/boots from the US in addition to weaponry. Economic sanction was imposed on the Soviet Union not Germany. The Royal navy and the German battleships blocked the Russian coastlines.

3. The US assisted the Japs to organize another invasion from the south of Soviet Union (new front).

4. The US attacked the Soviet Union from the East instead of landing on Salerno, Italy or Normandy, France, to open up a new front.

Are we still confident that 苏联独自在欧洲战场打败希特勒?

所有跟帖： 

• 1940.5.27-6.4.德国空军攻势猛烈，敦克尔克之后，西欧陆上的抵抗活动陷入最艰难的时刻，这也就是后来丘吉尔 -诺爸- ♂ (360 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:45:53

• yeah, combined efforts. -Giantfan- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:48:32

• 1981年，英国人审批的历史课本，讲到第二次世界大战，把苏联和中国放在一起， -诺爸- ♂ (260 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:05:14

• 说起美国的参战，英国国防部曾经在大约1996-97吧，拒绝为”拯救大兵瑞恩“，提供方便， -诺爸- ♂ (303 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:27:31

• We don't learn histroy from watching movies. Most of the movies -Giantfan- ♂ (29 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:58:51

• 是的。 -诺爸- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 20:08:34

• 假设性问题，就没什么可争得了.。而英美长时间拒绝(不敢)开设第二战场是事实 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:55:40

• 41年中到44年D-day,只有苏军在欧洲战场与希特勒作战也是事实 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 08:56:59

• so naval battles and air battles were not counted? What about -Giantfan- ♂ (113 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:14:06

• 这些和中国的1931-1945抗战很像，都是最后胜利的一部分， -诺爸- ♂ (302 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:28:37

• I said the Allied brought down Hitler with combined efforts & -Giantfan- ♂ (507 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:48:26

• 啊，没有这个意思，：-）可能是和大家以前的学习背景有异，所以 -诺爸- ♂ (367 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:07:49

• Again I am not mad & dont worry about that at all (under any -Giantfan- ♂ (357 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:27:27

• ：-）谢谢，有道理（日本，。。） ：-） -诺爸- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 11:56:54

• Navy and Air battles do count. But the land battles were much mo -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (784 bytes) () 05/14/2009 postreply 22:27:41

• 若Giantfan认为假设英美帮助德意日更合理，尽可保留你的观点 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:01:39

• 也可能是因为我上面写的不好，我说的”苏联打败德军“指的是 -诺爸- ♂ (166 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 09:11:00

• 我完全同意你关于中流砥柱的观点。我的帖子不是和你争论的 -大侠独孤求败- ♂ (0 bytes) () 05/14/2009 postreply 22:35:36

• I hate "what-if" scenario too. What I did was to show the -Giantfan- ♂ (764 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:23:06

• I also gave out truck as example. Both the Russians and the -Giantfan- ♂ (284 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:27:03

• 有关“资源的”一点，也就当时很多国家以为德国不会在东西两线“同时开战” -诺爸- ♂ (395 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 10:44:38

• Yes, but the war would have been for ten years and the Russians -ThreeMeals- ♂ (31 bytes) () 05/13/2009 postreply 18:12:52