三心哥和其他大侠们,问个关于LEAP和2x杠杆的问题。

本帖于 2024-12-06 12:26:40 时间, 由普通用户 aloevera 编辑

我研究了一下NVDA LEAP 和 NVDL (2x杠杆),感觉好像还是NVDL的投资回报会高一些。

For example, NVDA $80 1/26 contract priced at $70 with delta 0.9310, time value is $8.08 per contract (11%). Since delta is pretty high, LEAP almost appreciate in the same value as the original stock. Let's assume NVDA will appreciate significantly in 2025 but with high volatility. Although there will be volatility drag on NVDL, the time decay ($8.08 per share on LEAP will still be more than the volatility drag and the expense (1% = $0.76 per share) on NVDL, making LEAP less attractive than NVDL. Even though we could roll LEAP to a future date 3-6 months prior to expiration to avoid the time decay, and the volatility expansion may lessen the time decay, it may still outpace the volatility drag and the expense on NVDL. Beside, the tax on the short term gain on LEAP will be bigger than that of NVDL as you can hold more than a year on NVDL whereas you have to roll into a future date in less than a year. And if NVDA goes to zero, I will just lose the same value for both, as the LEAP costs $70 and NVDL costs $76.

In my opinion, NVDL is a better investment vehicle than NVDA LEAP. Of course, there is a caveat. If NVDA ends up move sideways with lots of volatility, then the volatility drag on NVDL will be big, making it less favorable to the LEAP.

What do you guys think? 欢迎好的讨论和分析。

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yes, if NVDA keeps going up. NVDL is better -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (89 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:20:34

Thanks! Why is LEAP much safer? Technically I can lose about -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (118 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:23:45

Leap only lose time value... -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (161 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:46:36

But if it comes back, will that eat into the return as much? -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (140 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:52:28

If NVDA drops 40-50% and come back, NVDL lose a lot more -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:57:27

Not precise math (maybe someone with better math to help) .. -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 (204 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 13:03:21

That is right! Thanks for explanation!! But I hope that -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (494 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 13:18:52

The time decay on LEAP is 11% on the premium. That is quite -aloevera- 给 aloevera 发送悄悄话 (233 bytes) () 12/06/2024 postreply 12:59:22

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