tqqq 和 qqq 联合就是力量? 大侠们请指正 :)

tqqq qqq 联合就是力量

 

I am thinking about the following idea.  I have not started yet, but would like to start in the near future.  This idea seems to be better than methods using the 50:50 ratio or 70:30 ratio, because the total absolute dollar amount in tqqq can be limited or capped to one’s comfort level.  If you have, say, $2 m in the market, 50:50 ratio would mean $1 m in tqqq, which may not be prudent.  Tqqq can be great in a rising market, but can theoretically go to 0 in a major crash.

 

Using the following method, I can cap my tqqq to a comfortable level.  The following example uses $100k in tqqq.  If you prefer $200k in tqqq, just do 2x to the following calculation.  If you prefer $300k in tqqq, then do 3x to the following calculation.  This will not change the % of return below. 

 

The following is just an illustrative example; I have not started this method yet.  I plan to start in the near future.  This is just a hypothetical back testing for the past year and a half to comare three different methods.

 

I. Case Study on Feb. 2020 to July 2021, Example (A):

 

Put $100k into tqqq on 2/14/2020.  Note that this example starts with a bad timing, at the market top right before the crash.  Therefore, this example takes into account unexpected and nasty crash.  This is not a best case scenario that is too good to be true.

 

Tqqq dropped from $57.27/share (Feb. 14, 2020) $17.76/share (March 20, 2020), approximately 70% drop.

 

In this method, every time tqqq drops by 20%, I add another $20k into it.  If the drop is less than 20%, then do nothing.

 

Start with $100k tqqq on Feb. 14, 2020:

 

Tqqq index drops 20% to $45.82/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains at $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $36.65/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains at $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $29.32/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains at $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $23.46/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains at $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $18.77/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains at $100k.

 

Money out of my pocket:

Initial $100k + additions $100k = $200k.

 

Then tqqq increases from $17.76/share to $130/share (as of 7/12/2021).

 

Every time tqqq increases by 20%, sell $20k and put it into qqq.

 

Tqqq index increases 20% to $21.31, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $25.57, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $30.69, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $36.83, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $44.19, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $53.03, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $63.63, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $76.36, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $91.64, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $21.31, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $109.96, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 20% to $131.95, I sell $20k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

 

The money that tqqq spits into qqq has been growing.  Net growth in qqq from DCA from the spit-out (based on curves available on Google): approximately $86k.

 

Total value as of 7/12/2021: tqqq $100k + qqq (240k + 86k) = about $426k.

 

Return: (426-200)/200 = about 113%.

 

 

II. Case Study on Feb. 2020 to July 2021, Example (B):

 

In this example, I sell tqqq only after it doubles.  Everything else is the same as Example A.

 

First, as in Example (A), start with the same $100k in tqqq at market top Feb. 14, 2020.

 

Tqqq index drops 20% to $45.82/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $36.65/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $29.32/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $23.46/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index drops another 20% to $18.77/share, I add $20k into my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

 

Money out of my pocket:

Initial $100k + additions $100k = $200k.

 

Then tqqq increases from $17.76/share to $130/share (as of 7/12/2021).

 

Every time tqqq increases by 100% (doubles), sell $100k and put it into qqq.  This maintains $100k in tqqq.

 

Tqqq index increases 100% (doubles) to $35.52/share, I sell $100k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

Tqqq index increases 100% (doubles) to $71.04/share, I sell $100k of my tqqq.  My tqqq maintains $100k.

 

Currently as of 7/12/2021, Tqqq index is at about $130/share.  My tqqq would be at $182k.

 

By selling only after tqqq doubles, there is less action needed.

 

Net growth from spitting and investing DCA into qqq along the way: about $88k net increase, based on curves estimated at Google.

 

Total value: tqqq 182k + qqq 200k + 88k = about $470k.

 

Return: (470-200)/200 = about 135%.

 

 

III. Control (Example C):

 

My control is the simple qqq method, without using tqqq.  Put the same $100k into qqq Feb. 14, 2020 ($234.64/share).  It decreased to $170.70/share on 3/20/2020.

 

qqq index drops 7% to $227.60, I add $20k into my qqq. 

qqq index drops 7% to $211.67, I add $20k into my qqq.

qqq index drops 7% to $196.85, I add $20k into my qqq.

qqq index drops 7% to $183.07, I add $20k into my qqq.

qqq index drops 7% to $170.26, I add $20k into my qqq.

Total value at the market bottom is about $160k due to market crash, based on estimate using curves at Google.

 

Total value as of 7/12/2021, about double from the bottom: $320k.

 

Money out of my pocket:

Initial $100k + additions $100k = $200k.

 

Return: (320-200)/200 = 60%.

 

 

IV. Conclusions:

 

[1]. Compared to simply using qqq, it is better to combine qqq with tqqq.  Combination is creation.

 

[2]. The rate of return can be doubled (60% vs. 135%) with very little extra work. 

 

[3]. (B) is the best.  When tqqq decrease by 20%, add more money into tqqq to maintain at $100k.  When tqqq doubles, sell $100k and put it into qqq, and maintain tqqq at $100k.

 

I use $100k as an example.  I may gradually accumulate my tqqq to cap at $500k.  It can be $200k, or $100k, for different people.  This will not change the rate of return (%).

 

Any feedback?  Experts in this group, feel free to comment.

 

Best regards,

 

David Meng

Author of book at Amazon “The Intelligent Small Investor”.

 

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I am doing the similar thing with diff selling and buying point. -start2020- 给 start2020 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 12:54:58

So what is your plan? Would you please share with us too? -meowi- 给 meowi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:01:57

Please share more. What are your buying and selling points? -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:15:40

10%, tracked from the beginning.涨的时候先买少了,跌的时候嫌卖少了,心态很重要,不能多投,要有承 -start2020- 给 start2020 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:50:38

受清零的准备 -start2020- 给 start2020 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:54:19

Yes you are right. Thanks for sharing. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/14/2021 postreply 07:02:35

very interesting point. Can you do a 10 year period? one year i -meowi- 给 meowi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:01:15

Thanks. 10 years should be fine because we had a decade of bull -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (164 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:18:09

有力量的赌博,看运气了。 -常谈- 给 常谈 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:22:47

I'm trying to find a good way to invest the cash flow money from -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:26:26

rental properties. Have SP500 already. Trying to expand into tqq -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:27:34

经常短期买卖,税会有多少影响? -mobius- 给 mobius 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 13:53:59

用ira 玩 -start2020- 给 start2020 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 14:09:33

wash sale rule is very serious -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (447 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 14:24:34

Thanks. Yes, wash sale definitely should be avoided. In this ca -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (346 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 14:45:34

不知做Day-Trading的如何考虑washsale的问题,还是他们全然不顾。该怎么上税就怎么上税。 -tiejiangye- 给 tiejiangye 发送悄悄话 tiejiangye 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 07/13/2021 postreply 10:13:05

兄弟,如果知道QQQ 那么走,还费那个叫劲干吗? -猛牛- 给 猛牛 发送悄悄话 猛牛 的博客首页 (354 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 14:46:41

Good point, thank you. The only reason is that compared to -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (485 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 14:56:56

团结就是力量,这力量是Q,这力量是T,比Q还硬,比T还强,向着联储开火,让一切不上升的股市死亡! 向着太阳,向着自由, -hhtt- 给 hhtt 发送悄悄话 hhtt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 15:19:38

想法不错但是过于复杂 -越王剑- 给 越王剑 发送悄悄话 越王剑 的博客首页 (60 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 15:29:52

谢谢越王兄. Good suggestion. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 15:36:02

越王兄说有点复杂,我简化了一下: -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (313 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 16:50:06

虎兄, 猛牛兄, 越王兄, 对这个简化的方法, 请指点指点 :) -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 16:52:19

这么折腾,如果赚了还要交税、是不是不如一直hold qqq? -天下攘攘- 给 天下攘攘 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 21:38:36

Thank you. Method B rebalances a few times per year, so it is qu -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (220 bytes) () 07/14/2021 postreply 07:01:18

Note: This is intended for the long term, longer than a decade. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 16:55:25

不可只玩两个东东,不diversify,可能结局会很惨的 -pssci- 给 pssci 发送悄悄话 pssci 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 17:19:00

As I mentioned, I already have a lot in SP500. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 19:32:06

This is about investing the cash flow from my real estate. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 19:33:50

股市投资要折合成相等的风险指标才有得比,否则就是空想。 -Sunflower28- 给 Sunflower28 发送悄悄话 Sunflower28 的博客首页 (710 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 18:47:08

Yes, this is about QQQ+TQQQ混合 -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/12/2021 postreply 19:33:13

真正的人才 -fox97- 给 fox97 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/13/2021 postreply 13:25:05

谢谢您,学无止境,继续学习 :) -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/14/2021 postreply 06:56:10

多谢分享,一个新的思路. 我自己是qqq, qld 只买不卖,少量Tqqq gain 10% 就卖, -limetree- 给 limetree 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/13/2021 postreply 14:31:33

I think you've done very well with "qqq, qld 只买不卖,少量Tqqq gain 10 -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/14/2021 postreply 06:57:47

If you so sure about the direction, why not just use 20% of your -Westeros- 给 Westeros 发送悄悄话 Westeros 的博客首页 (269 bytes) () 07/13/2021 postreply 15:50:08

Thank you. I am sure that LEAP is a good idea. Unfortunately, I -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (142 bytes) () 07/14/2021 postreply 06:55:32

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