莊子曰："吾" 喪 "我"

 

此乃《齊物論》中言。

吾讀古書注意到吾與我有區别時(有時無區别)，其一是：吾指自己，我指位置。

例如，我國、我軍，均指"我方的''。方即"位", position 是也。

吾國、吾軍、吾民，則是"我自己的"，充满個人感情。Personal 是也。

Indicating position is an important function and implement of language. As I see it, for instance, the expression "my god" isn't that clear, for, for a traditional Chinese reader, it could mean "吾"所愛之神 or "我方"信仰之神. The second interpretation may indicate a religious confrontation while the first does not. This is one example that a subtlety of distinction in its Chinese expression is not conveyed through to its English counterpart.

How I came to realize this "position" thing? Amusing enough, I was imagining about how to explain the nature of mathematics to others, then the notion of "god" came along: viewed from god's position, there is no need for mathematical proofs since god sees the entirety and totality of mathematics at once. In this sense, mathematics does not exist for god, though god can show human mathematicians every possible mathematical theories when demanded.

One must notice that one has no need to actually believe in the existence of god (in the religious sense or not) in order to see the validity of this argument. Clearly, here god serves as a necessary imaginary position, and this suffices.

故，莊子曰"吾喪我"，而非''我喪吾".

 

 

所有跟帖： 

• 吾丧我，学习了，感谢！ -雪晶- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 10:47:57

• 是了，呆若木雞也是出自莊子，原指凝神聚氣，大巧若拙。。 -中间小谢- ♂ (48 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 11:43:14

• 原来是这样，谢谢你夸我，哈哈~~~ -雪晶- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 11:49:12

• 呵呵，现代人讲要绝对客观理性，就是我丧吾。 -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 16:58:31

• 谢兄，很高兴你提到这个“吾丧我”。大概十年前我探寻吾我问题，也是从这一句开始的。关于这个题目的专业论文不多， -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (636 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:13:15

• 我衹是自習文言，在言不在意，然循其言而偶得其意。 -中间小谢- ♂ (660 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:47:39

• 是的。截断与文言和国学联系的白话文，无根。德国哲学家变德语为严谨语言，类似，中文是诸子锻造的。善字，就是个例子， -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (122 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:57:35

• 如君言，吾可以無碍，我則是範疇。 -中间小谢- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:53:18

• sharp。吾不是个范畴，类似于指月。 -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:59:11

• 古文英文，自如切换，厉害！ -盈盈一笑间- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:35:07