Code forces 顶级coder总数和密度国籍分布

本帖于 2025-09-21 08:35:43 时间, 由普通用户 whaled 编辑

Codeforces 2100分的段位相当于USACO白金水平,接近USACO夏令营或北美ICPC决赛阶段的入门水平。

中国在总数和密度上都排在首位。印度马工再次在平均水平上被各国远远抛在榜末。以下是DS对Codeforces数据库做的分析。

Comparative Analysis: The Elite Tier

This data tells a powerful story about the concentration of top talent. Let's add the percentage of a country's total users that reach this elite level.

Country Total Users (Est.) Users >= 2100 (Est.) % of Userbase >= 2100
China ~110,000 ~7,500 ~6.8%
Russia ~45,000 ~2,800 ~6.2%
United States ~35,000 ~1,400 ~4.0%
India ~130,000 ~1,300 ~1.0%
Japan ~15,000 ~500 ~3.3%

Analysis and Why This Matters

The shift from the 1900+ to the 2100+ bracket is where the differences become extreme:

1. China's Juggernaut Status: Not only does China have 5-6 times more elite coders than its nearest rival (Russia), but a staggering ~7% of its entire userbase is at this level. This indicates an ecosystem that doesn't just have a lot of participants, but one that is exceptionally effective at producing world-class talent.
2. Russia's Incredible Density: Russia's numbers confirm its status as a historic CP superpower. Despite having less than half the total users of the US, it has twice as many elite coders. Its ~6.2% elite density is second only to China, showcasing a deeply skilled and mature community.
3. The US's Strong Position: The US maintains a strong showing. Its elite density (~4.0%) is healthy, reflecting the high-quality training from top computer science universities.
4. India's Volume Challenge: This data highlights the main characteristic of the Indian CP community: immense volume. While it has the largest total userbase, a very small fraction (~1%) breaks into the true elite tier (Master and above). This is the classic "long tail" distribution.
5. Japan's Focused Excellence: Japan's numbers are modest in absolute terms, but its elite density (~3.3%) is respectable and higher than India's, suggesting its smaller community on Codeforces is composed of serious, dedicated participants.

Conclusion

Moving to the 2100+ bracket filters out serious enthusiasts and focuses on the truly elite competitors. At this level:

· China is in a league of its own, both in terms of absolute numbers and the density of its elite.
· Russia remains a top-tier force, demonstrating incredible efficiency in producing high-level programmers.
· The United States and Japan have strong, focused elite communities.
· India's challenge is converting its massive participant base into a proportionally larger elite group, a transition that will take time and deeper structural support.

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这个比例看着正常 -幸福象花儿一样- 给 幸福象花儿一样 发送悄悄话 幸福象花儿一样 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:24:03

H1B其实是从世界上水平最差的马工群选人来跟世界最精锐的马工群竞争,后果可想而知 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:30:04

除了我们知道,美国科技界/政坛没人关心啊,连大厂自己都是见钱眼开,短视极了! -幸福象花儿一样- 给 幸福象花儿一样 发送悄悄话 幸福象花儿一样 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:35:49

美国人基本上把自己族裔的利益看的最高,抢蛋糕时都是成帮结伙的。只有老中是高风亮节。 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:40:40

大厂当然以效益为第一。增加效益就要降低成本,无可避免。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:46:54

雇水平高点的华人马工就要亏钱了?H1B的数字体现的不是追求企业效益的结果,而是裙带关系排斥异己的操作后果 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:48:56

顶尖那个档次比如R&D设计开发,交流和项目机密的关系会雇佣国内人员。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (146 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:53:11

十万块的”普通”马工只有印度人愿意干,美国人和中国人都不屑做? -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:55:42

印度员工拿四万都是最高级别工资了。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:56:26

上百万在美国的印度马工不同意 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:58:01

谁说1/4的?2025 印度H1B 平均工资12万,跟CMU CS 专业毕业生平均工资 (约13.9万)相当了 -幸福象花儿一样- 给 幸福象花儿一样 发送悄悄话 幸福象花儿一样 的博客首页 (243 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:58:11

Reddit 上的印度国内员工讨论的。拿三四万的都是top的工资,在印度都是上中产。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:10:10

那是在印度外包的工资?H1B比这高多了 -幸福象花儿一样- 给 幸福象花儿一样 发送悄悄话 幸福象花儿一样 的博客首页 (58940 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:16:02

我们还是局限在讨论H1B吧,外包是另一个scam,可以分开讨论 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:18:00

嗯,H1b给tech的人数有四五万?外包才是大头。降低成本最终就是外包越来越多。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:28:33

参考一下波音和Intel,长远看就是依赖外包的后果 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:29:52

波音实在是个大败笔。但是普通CS工作和波音性质不同吧。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:45:43

印度现在持H1B,H4加子女有75万人。做IT的人数应该不少于四十万。 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:33:14

和中国国内一样,中国大厂在二线城市给个20-30万人民币也不错了 -palmtree2005- 给 palmtree2005 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:21:08

不认为美国上层不知道真实情况。但中国老二,威胁到美国老大地位,美国只能从中国之外的选,印度被选上,不难理解。 -tidytiger- 给 tidytiger 发送悄悄话 tidytiger 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:06:09

印度人可是在全球鼓噪中国威胁论的重要推手。不过烙印自荐美国的队友,川总似乎还看不上 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:15:04

印度有野心,鼓噪中国威胁论,他们获利,本来就是没integrity的国家,他做啥说啥话都有可能。 -tidytiger- 给 tidytiger 发送悄悄话 tidytiger 的博客首页 (81 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:23:00

这不容易,基建和人才都有缺口,再排斥华人的话保持霸主的机会就更少了。 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:26:15

是不是很快的将来,这些印度H1 反正都会被AI代替了?水平不高的话,AI更便宜还好 -Bailey4321- 给 Bailey4321 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 08:49:12

到那个时候大部分码工估计都被替代了,不分国家人种 -BGM- 给 BGM 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:07:31

马斯克说他的H1B是世界top 1% -挖矿- 给 挖矿 发送悄悄话 挖矿 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:19:46

他家雇的老中比较多,老马比较精 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:25:06

他早就对H1B的申请过程有意见,影响他招收真正需要的专业人才 -lookforward- 给 lookforward 发送悄悄话 lookforward 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:45:10

这个绝对是误传,包括老中比较多更是误传,他家压工资实在太狠了。 -ginger2003- 给 ginger2003 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 12:08:39

后果就是,印度人大举移民美国,雀占鸠巢,反客为主。加拿大就是活生生的例子 -宝马奔驰- 给 宝马奔驰 发送悄悄话 (161 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:42:43

哈哈,谁是雀谁是鸠谁是鹊? -lookforward- 给 lookforward 发送悄悄话 lookforward 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 09:51:33

这个问题太敏感,哈哈。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 10:10:01

按我以前一个组(被外包了)里装况,一个美国马工(老美,老中。。。)顶5-10个外包马工 -start2020- 给 start2020 发送悄悄话 start2020 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/21/2025 postreply 11:14:00

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