看看这个被Wharton拒的,真是气死人。

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[aB][asize=4][acolor=#FF0000]Decision: Rejected [/color][/size][/b]

Fisher M&T, Secondary: Wharton

Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): 2400 (first sitting)
ACT (breakdown): N/A
SAT II: Math 2 - 800, Physics - 800
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.95/4.0 (2 Bs in 6th grade french)
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): N/A
AP (place score in parenthesis): US Gov't (5), Stat (5), US Hist (4), English Lit (5), BC Calc (5). Physics: Mechanics (5), Euro Hist (4)
IB (place score in parenthesis): SL French (6)
Senior Year Course Load: IB Global Politics, IB HL Math, IB SL Chemistry, IB Psychology, IB HL Physics, IB Theory of Knowledge, IB HL English
Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): AIME qualifier, AP Scholar with Distinction, National Merit Semifinalist

Subjective:

Extracurriculars (place leadership in parenthesis): Year-round club swimmer (22hrs/week, since 4th grade), Clarinetist (since 4th grade), Orchestras/Bands, Debate Team member (all of HS), Writer for the school newspaper (all of HS)
Job/Work Experience: Assistant Coach for local summer swim team (30 hrs/week), Technical Intern at a small IT company the summer prior (30 hrs/week)
Volunteer/Community service: ~150 hours, National Honor Society, National Math Honor Society, etc.
Summer Activities: swimming, coaching, giving private swim lessons, working as a technical intern the summer prior
Essays (rating 1-10, details): 9-10, spent months on them, couldn't find anything to improve upon. Really told my story and why I thought UPenn was a perfect match. Had my great English teacher review it and it seemed good...

Recommendations (rating 1-10, details):

Teacher Rec #1: 9-10 (history teacher), really loved her class and we had a really nice relationship. We still always say hi when we pass each other in the halls.
Teacher Rec #2: 9-10 (physics teacher), really liked him and did excellent in his class. Our class was rather huge but I am quite sure that I stood out in his eyes.
Counselor Rec: 7+, Didn't have that many interactions with my counselor, but all of my interactions were positive and I was really respectful.
Additional Rec: (Club Swim Coach) 7+ Been swimming with my club swim coach throughout high school and we have a very positive relationship. He mentioned that he was a bit crunched for time though (I officially requested 2 weeks prior to the deadline), so I dunno about the quality of the rec.
Interview: 10. The interview was amazing. I learned an incredible amount from the interviewer and gave an honest rendition of myself, my interests and activites, etc. I thought I made a great impression.

Other

Applied for Financial Aid?: No
Intended Major: Comp Engineering in SEAS and Finance, Managing Electronic Commerce in Wharton
State (if domestic applicant): Maryland
Country (if international applicant):
School Type: County Magnet Program (IB)
Ethnicity: Asian
Gender: Male
Income Bracket: 200,000+
Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): First generation born in America

Reflection

Strengths: Great, dedicated swimmer, Accomplished student, Talented Musician, Caring Swim Coach, Enthusiastic Intern
Weaknesses: 3.95 GPA? Maybe teachers actually didn't like me that much? No especially significant math/science awards. No business background.
Why you think you were accepted/deferred/rejected: Maybe recs were worse than expected? Maybe 3.95 GPA is unacceptable? Maybe math/sci awards or a background in business are must-haves for Wharton/Fisher.

General Comments :
I was surprised (and devastated).

所有跟帖: 

估计AP4分和收入太高是死穴。 -money4ivy- 给 money4ivy 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:34:40

一看就是个小中男。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:35:46

这个LEADER,好像到了SENIOR,大家都是队长。。。。 -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:48:32

不会。死穴是Asian male -Manymore- 给 Manymore 发送悄悄话 Manymore 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:18:28

male, asian,唉! -mappycarol- 给 mappycarol 发送悄悄话 mappycarol 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:35:27

把一切的不如意都归为种族歧视,那是黑人至今在底层的原因 -ZeroSumGame- 给 ZeroSumGame 发送悄悄话 (111 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:37:48

不能当鸵鸟 -Manymore- 给 Manymore 发送悄悄话 Manymore 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:19:07

要当战斗鸡 -又当爹来又当妈- 给 又当爹来又当妈 发送悄悄话 又当爹来又当妈 的博客首页 (178 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:36:53

他要是黑男,进不了这所也一定能进个他现在反正进不了的好学校。这事就别不承认了 -greenoasis- 给 greenoasis 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:47:12

要是黑男绝对横扫了 -touji- 给 touji 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:05:31

问题出在推荐信,推荐信不够强 -ZeroSumGame- 给 ZeroSumGame 发送悄悄话 (45 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:35:45

也可能面试的人没说好话。 -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:50:11

你看了推荐信?不要随意揣摩 -flagsix- 给 flagsix 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:17:16

算了,我不逼孩子了, -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:40:05

M+T too competitive; If ED -sharkbite- 给 sharkbite 发送悄悄话 sharkbite 的博客首页 (55 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:41:34

不要光拿硬指标说事 -又当爹来又当妈- 给 又当爹来又当妈 发送悄悄话 又当爹来又当妈 的博客首页 (40 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:43:28

这小孩应申请加州里工。。。 -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:43:30

凭以往感觉,SAT2400不是好事。 -6degrees- 给 6degrees 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:47:02

我知道一个小中男SAT2400,公立名校优秀生,刚刚被H defer了。没课外亮点。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:30:30

这样的情况很普遍了,而且不只是小中,小白也一样。估计只有小黑小西还行。 -6degrees- 给 6degrees 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 14:04:52

俺女儿当年进沃顿,有几个经验可以分享 -iCall- 给 iCall 发送悄悄话 (1694 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 19:11:15

写得好。女儿毕业了吗? -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 22:27:45

已毕业,在纽约做金融。 -iCall- 给 iCall 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 18:48:58

凭我知道的,小中女在Wharton更如鱼得水。小中男相对来说混得辛苦些。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 08:50:06

这个孩子被拒了的原因不是因为他是小中男,而是太没有突出点了,在他的所有课外活动里,看不到任何PROACTIVE和PASSION, -IVYHOPE- 给 IVYHOPE 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:00:15

也没有Leadership,老师的推荐信也是平平的,没有亮点。这都是硬伤。 -IVYHOPE- 给 IVYHOPE 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:01:58

对头 -吃喝大王- 给 吃喝大王 发送悄悄话 (64 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 12:42:16

别逗了,小中男肯定是原因之一。同样的成绩,换个族裔,就是横扫了。 -touji- 给 touji 发送悄悄话 (64 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:17:05

没得什么奖。也没有领导才能那些?一般孩子能这样已经非常不错了。上藤还不够? -greenoasis- 给 greenoasis 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:04:44

cornell 可以 -五风- 给 五风 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 14:52:14

显然,推荐和reflection 过于空洞。采用具体的事例说明point,love the class,still say hi -笑薇.- 给 笑薇. 发送悄悄话 笑薇. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:10:21

类似stats 好像有被大藤S拒收的. -sharkbite- 给 sharkbite 发送悄悄话 sharkbite 的博客首页 (88 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:13:20

被拒很正常 -岁月静好- 给 岁月静好 发送悄悄话 (109 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:31:42

没啥特别亮点, 这个就是competitive,但不compelling例子 -beachlver- 给 beachlver 发送悄悄话 beachlver 的博客首页 (303 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:41:50

尤其如果让学校认为会付全费的话。 -greenoasis- 给 greenoasis 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:45:44

挺全面发展的,应该有机会被其他藤校录取吧? -八音涧- 给 八音涧 发送悄悄话 八音涧 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:48:28

Say hi in hall这样的推荐感觉完全高级黑 -545f- 给 545f 发送悄悄话 545f 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 09:54:13

他是说见到那个老师还会说hi.不过我见过有的推荐信,的确让人吐血。 -greenoasis- 给 greenoasis 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:07:25

请问推荐信必须老师写?还是可以找认识自己的其他位高权重的朋友写呢? -545f- 给 545f 发送悄悄话 545f 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:10:48

通常是必须任过课的老师,而且最好是11年级的任课老师。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:13:52

+1 -kingfish2010- 给 kingfish2010 发送悄悄话 kingfish2010 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:13:18

这个不光是沃顿,而是 M&T, 比单是沃顿或哈佛难度大。 -mmmwww- 给 mmmwww 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:01:44

他的第二选是单沃顿。有不少被沃顿录取的学生在ED时是从M&T和Huntsman转过去的。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:10:35

USAMO还不算Major Award? -ctrls- 给 ctrls 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:34:44

这孩子不是USAMO,只是AIME -spring2011- 给 spring2011 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:58:35

我又看了,USAMO, 他是写重了,上USAMO 了 -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (118 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:23:30

他没有进usamo, usamo 在括号里,是举例子。 -swj2000- 给 swj2000 发送悄悄话 swj2000 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 14:01:20

oh,yes -iwanttoeat- 给 iwanttoeat 发送悄悄话 iwanttoeat 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 15:35:30

每周22小时的游泳却没有任何哪怕马里兰州内的排名 -cutedolphin- 给 cutedolphin 发送悄悄话 (46 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:55:13

对不起,我也觉得花这么多时间游泳,却没有名次,是不是不如不写。 -hutu98- 给 hutu98 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 13:51:54

写了是想说明花了那么多时间搞游泳。但他如果在州里有个前十的名次估计就进了 -cutedolphin- 给 cutedolphin 发送悄悄话 (52 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 15:29:45

有些人就是那么爱攀比,显摆。还把这种劣质在国外光大 -faday- 给 faday 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 10:58:35

6年级的2个B也影响GPA? -spring2011- 给 spring2011 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 11:00:54

没啥好气的,俺村条件比这好的非亚裔也没进 -3-D- 给 3-D 发送悄悄话 3-D 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 11:02:47

这个非亚裔是非裔还是西裔吗? -touji- 给 touji 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:50:17

做business是要有活动能力的,估计是被拒的原因 -3-D- 给 3-D 发送悄悄话 3-D 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 11:21:37

为啥贴这儿抱怨?有用么? -扯乎扯乎- 给 扯乎扯乎 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 11:22:46

有这么多跟帖,说明还是有点意义的。当然拯救不了地球。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:18:58

我家的去年拒了Wharton商学院,呵呵。 -nunuwang- 给 nunuwang 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 11:33:38

太天真,家长没做好工作 -touji- 给 touji 发送悄悄话 (156 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:13:17

沃顿不留小爷,小爷自有去处。衷心祝愿这位小中男被别的牛校录取。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:21:15

没什么可比的,进不去就去别的学校嘛!不要抱怨。 -capitalist- 给 capitalist 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 12:22:54

EC不在多在精,这个每周这么长时间的游泳没看到成绩啊,申请加州理工和MIT胜算比较大 -lily0533- 给 lily0533 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 13:13:51

到了高中才看出身高体重可能的缺陷。怎么办?退出吗?其实这真的是个难题。 -greenoasis- 给 greenoasis 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 13:17:38

其实真没有必要把什么事都忘种族上扯 -平心说话- 给 平心说话 发送悄悄话 (790 bytes) () 12/12/2015 postreply 21:31:00

无所谓啦,美国的好学校太多了 -pandax- 给 pandax 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 03:21:51

没有一个州里比赛第一名?俺娃三个州冠军也没卧 -木纳德- 给 木纳德 发送悄悄话 木纳德 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 05:04:16

这个stats信息是从哪拿到的?是在申请学校的网站上和接受或拒绝的status放在一起公布的吗?谢谢! -willabc- 给 willabc 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 07:18:29

College Confidential 网站上的。是申请者本人自愿公布的。 -乱打乒乓胡下棋- 给 乱打乒乓胡下棋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 13:37:25

不是很了解GPA评级,感觉是满分4分,拿到3.95还低么?我看Recommendation才是大问题,啥we still say -hua0928- 给 hua0928 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 13:33:04

赶快申请其他学校, 说不定有更好的喃。 我们这儿就有这例子 -rhhs- 给 rhhs 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/13/2015 postreply 16:27:54

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