看一篇比较专业的评价

https://stratechery.com/2025/deepseek-faq/

不懂计术的就不要传小道消息了,我们搞这一行的人每天读deepseek paper.

their most recent DS R1 paper is at https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.12948

DeepSeek ... implemented cross-GPU communications ... using PTX.   They did not use CUDA ... THAT is crazy significant.

H100s were prohibited by the chip ban, but not H800s. Everyone assumed that training leading edge models required more interchip memory bandwidth, but that is exactly what DeepSeek optimized both their model structure and infrastructure around.

Again, just to emphasize this point, all of the decisions DeepSeek made in the design of this model only make sense if you are constrained to the H800; if DeepSeek had access to H100s, they probably would have used a larger training cluster with much fewer optimizations specifically focused on overcoming the lack of bandwidth.

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这就是我的意思,这正是证明了他们用的阉割的NVDA芯片,深度绑定,还脱轨,骗谁?哈哈 -BrightLine- 给 BrightLine 发送悄悄话 BrightLine 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 16:59:00

他们也用在google TPU,很快就可以用在华为芯片上 -raritan- 给 raritan 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:02:00

还不是NVDA的芯片快,适合AI,换成什么芯片不行?就是坐飞机和拖拉机的区别嘛 -BrightLine- 给 BrightLine 发送悄悄话 BrightLine 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:05:23

醒醒吧,当时华为Mate出来时和IPhone速度差不多 -花点牛牛- 给 花点牛牛 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:29:58

哈哈,不是遥遥领先吗? -SVChinese- 给 SVChinese 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 18:56:00

这是不是也可以补上华为GPU的短板? -mobius- 给 mobius 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:28:51

他们可以帮华为设计芯片,doing inference or model training -raritan- 给 raritan 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:36:00

make sense. 估计早开始弄了。 -mobius- 给 mobius 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:39:20

google has been doing this, Amazon too -raritan- 给 raritan 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:39:00

但现阶段都跟nvidia 有很大差距 -raritan- 给 raritan 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:40:00

而且设计出来,但没有台积电生产不出来 -raritan- 给 raritan 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:46:00

光刻机是关键。华为是世界上最卷的企业,放卫星的可能性不小。 -mobius- 给 mobius 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2025 postreply 17:50:59

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