$6 Hours to Make $200,000, Using Other People's Money

来源: David_S_Meng 2020-11-19 12:17:12 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (2047 bytes)

I would like to share a small method.  This year, my wife and I borrowed money from the banks using our real estate properties, via line of credit and cash-out refi.  We invested the cash in an SP 500 index fund. It is all lenders’ money, not our own money.  This is using other people’s money.

Our SP 500 account is currently up with a profit of about $240,000. 

The expenses included interest payments to the banks and closing costs for refi, which total less than $40,000. 

So, the net profit in this SP 500 account in 2020 so far is more than $200,000.

The SP 500 will go up and down.  It may decline tomorrow.  But in the long term, it returns about 10% annually.

The $200,000 in our SP 500 account is a small profit, compared to the big successful investors on Wenxuecity.  A few of them do very well, and I respect them.

But this small method is simple and suitable for the ordinary people.  The total time that I have spent on this is less than 6 hours, including emailing documents to the bank, the time to do closing for the refi, and doing some clicks on my computer to buy an SP 500 index fund.

I think that spending 6 hours and making $200,000 is not bad for the ordinary people.

Furthermore, this 6 hours are a one-time event.  If in the next ten years the profit in this SP 500 account grows to $1 million, the total time that I spend is still 6 hours.

Hope this small example will inspire the ordinary people with houses and rental properties to use line of credit or cash-out refi to use the lender’s money to grow more wealth, passively, by spending only a few hours of time.  In the long-term, the SP 500 should grow much faster than the super low interest rate right now.

By David Meng, author of the book “$5 Million in 8 Years: Real Estate Investing on the Side.”

 

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太误导,且不说现在cash out refi根本不可能六小时搞定,股市赚钱你拿来说,亏钱的时候呢? -kitfrommars- 给 kitfrommars 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:23:27

Yes you have to wait for a couple of months. But my time is less -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:38:17

but my time is less than 6 hours. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:39:01

The key is long term. SP500 returns about 10%, long-term average -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:40:29

Please see my previous posts. It is explained there. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:41:27

very good. That's what I am doing -jjj7- 给 jjj7 发送悄悄话 jjj7 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:41:23

Very well. Good luck to you. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:42:09

你写半天其实就是想卖你的书。 -rapidestate- 给 rapidestate 发送悄悄话 rapidestate 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:47:50

既然那么赚钱,还在乎卖书。呵呵。 -alpha123- 给 alpha123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:53:50

书确实不赚钱,但是能帮到几个人,还是值得。 -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:03:15

第一标题党。第二misleading -宁静的自由人- 给 宁静的自由人 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:53:00

It's not misleading. It is true. It indeed can be done. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:04:48

你这是叫别人从房子里贷款去炒股。炒得好的挣了,不好的房子就亏掉了。bad idea。 -宁静的自由人- 给 宁静的自由人 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:46:00

Please see my "For example" below. Two keys -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:09:14

(1). Dollar cost averaging. (2). Long-term -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:10:01

我也应该写本书,$6 Million in 2 Years -闲来无事事- 给 闲来无事事 发送悄悄话 闲来无事事 的博客首页 (36 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:57:00

期待你的书,你就是把书写出来了,也就是第二名!第一名还是楼主,他的赚钱速度是一年292M(=6小时20万)? -hhtt- 给 hhtt 发送悄悄话 hhtt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:24:35

He is better. I am an ordinary person with a practical method fo -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:33:26

with a practical method for the ordinary people. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:33:44

楼主的中心思想还是很对的 -jjj7- 给 jjj7 发送悄悄话 jjj7 的博客首页 (140 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 12:59:13

Thank you. It's a true method that people can use -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:08:24

people can use to make significant money passively. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:09:08

你这个观点很对,可是楼主的例子比较误导,而且cashout refi的钱当然是自己的钱,又不是不用还 -kitfrommars- 给 kitfrommars 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:44:13

It's not misleading. The $200,000 is net profit. If I -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (275 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:04:01

这里的人都喜欢用中文,做广告在这里要用中文 -G&G妈- 给 G&G妈 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:10:34

真的吗? 和我一起抄股票的几个 -喜喜哈哈- 给 喜喜哈哈 发送悄悄话 (145 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:32:04

You have a good point. I don't trade stocks. I use SP500, long-t -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:36:31

Hold for the long-term, and dollar cost average. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:37:21

For example: -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (1881 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:41:46

现在利率低,不能慢慢一年cash out一个 -天下攘攘- 给 天下攘攘 发送悄悄话 (167 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 18:34:44

Please see my response -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (404 bytes) () 11/23/2020 postreply 14:46:50

No, that is not my point. -喜喜哈哈- 给 喜喜哈哈 发送悄悄话 (555 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:41:40

Please see my "For example" above. Dollar cost averaging. Thanks -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:43:52

+1 -新手地主刚上路- 给 新手地主刚上路 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 15:54:53

Thanks for sharing ! 我看了上面的帖子,觉得楼主还是很诚恳的。 -alpha123- 给 alpha123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:41:12

Thanks. Regarding the book, I first wrote it for my kids who stu -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (751 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 13:58:50

等SP500 跌十年,看你还能顶住否? -cczz- 给 cczz 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:11:00

Yes, I plan to keep buying and hold for two decades. It will -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (88 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:26:30

出现的可能非常小 -jjj7- 给 jjj7 发送悄悄话 jjj7 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:34:33

这个就看你是否相信美国的经济了,投资有风险,不投资风险更大 -hz82000- 给 hz82000 发送悄悄话 hz82000 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 15:13:14

Good point: 不投资风险更大 -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 17:04:44

等SP500 跌十年,看你还能顶住否? -cczz- 给 cczz 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:11:00

Yes, I plan to keep buying and hold for two decades. It will -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (88 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:28:28

银行真傻,只赚几文利息,大钱都留给大家赚! -圆老扁- 给 圆老扁 发送悄悄话 圆老扁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:26:02

"SP500 跌十年" has never happened before. Please see list: -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (9596 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:34:24

石油从没跌过这么久。用病毒演绎理念指导投资比较好。长持的sitting duck 都赚不了 -julie116- 给 julie116 发送悄悄话 julie116 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 20:42:05

在利息地点cash out是一个好主意,不过我可能不会放在股市里,而是寻找合适的房产投资机会 -happyEstate- 给 happyEstate 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 14:50:00

Yes I agree with you that real estate has higher return. My wife -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (353 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 16:43:15

to disclosure return is better -nyc2002- 给 nyc2002 发送悄悄话 (109 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 15:27:27

Yes, sure, my SP500 return is 23% so far in 2020. -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 16:53:16

Our real estate has been about 27% per year in -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (267 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 17:02:54

还不如投指数年金 -crbeenuaa- 给 crbeenuaa 发送悄悄话 (215 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 16:41:43

指数市场推广的差不多了。造就了很多新秀 -julie116- 给 julie116 发送悄悄话 julie116 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 17:18:04

spy最高/最低也没有翻倍,你的spy怎么翻6倍的 -blogcity- 给 blogcity 发送悄悄话 blogcity 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/19/2020 postreply 22:12:42

翻6倍 from 0.8 m to 5.5 M was mostly in real estate, not SP500 -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (222 bytes) () 11/20/2020 postreply 06:28:17

你自己写的:今年spy 4万成本,赚到24万。怎么做到的? -blogcity- 给 blogcity 发送悄悄话 blogcity 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/20/2020 postreply 08:02:32

Where did you see "今年spy 4万成本"? We used line of credit and -David_S_Meng- 给 David_S_Meng 发送悄悄话 (440 bytes) () 11/20/2020 postreply 08:40:31

今年的SP 500 3/18/2020 买入大约是2448.,现在是3557,一股赚$11190, 今年如果买200股,cost -Coco_lau- 给 Coco_lau 发送悄悄话 Coco_lau 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/20/2020 postreply 16:41:54

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