HOA的故事2:25刀变5万

伟大领袖毛主席教导我们说:“与天斗,其乐无穷;与地斗,其乐无穷;与阶级敌人斗,其乐无穷。”你别说,“斗”这件事还真不是天朝人的专利。 只要有政府就有反抗,在美国,最小一级的政府就是HOA,房主协会。这里面的斗争,真是五花八门。

HOA是在美国上个世纪7,8十年代以后才流行的一个协议组织。HOA是美国的一个 怪 胎。因为开发商开发小区时有一些公共设施需要大家共同的管理,所以每一个住户购房时都会签订HOA的 宪 法 文件。岂不知这个文件签完以后,每一届的管委会都可以往里加添他们愿意加添的任何内容,结果就像天 朝 的 宪 法一样。几十年发展下来,美国很多有HOA就像天朝政府,不光住户的财产权受到严重侵害,其他的个 人自 由,利益也受到严重伤害。HOA的管理人员相当于 天 朝 的 城 管,真的是可以滥权到不 可一世。这里是一个最近的例子:

https://mfi-miami.com/2018/02/new-york-state-trooper/

Former New York State Trooper David Silva’s $25 HOA Late Fee Has Turned Into A $47,554 Foreclosure 

new york state trooperFormer New York State Trooper David Silva didn’t believe he deserved the $25 late fee from his HOA. So he refused to pay.

Apparently, the trouble began when his condo switched property managers in June 2015.  Silva’s maintenance check for June 2015 of $282.00was allegedly never deposited. 

Silva paid the maintenance bill when he found out that August it was overdue. However, the late fee and the ones that came after it, which he refused to pay had metastasized into $50,000. The amount includes additional late fees and attorney charges for a two-day trial.

Silva told the Palm Beach Post:

I am disappointed in the judge’s decision. I believe that this case looked at with another set of eyes, would have resulted in a different decision. It is a sad day in America when the American dream becomes the American nightmare.

HOA attorney Jeannette Bellon said could not document he issued the check. The association even waived one month’s late fee. However, Silva refused to pay anything because he argued the entire matter was due to a change in property managers. Silva claims he was not notified.

Bellon argued Silva was notified multiple times:

The rules are the rules in this case. I’m a condo association owner myself. So I think people just need to be aware what their condo declaration states what the rules and regulations state and what your duties and obligations are. The defendant was a former board member. He was aware of the rules. He just decided not to follow them. At the end of the day, he never gave proof he made payment.

Retired New York State Trooper Rumbles With HOA President

Silva’s dislike for current HOA President Vic Bally only aggravated the situation as both affirmed in court. Bally once accused Silva of assault. Silva was acquited when a videotape of the incident was introduced as evidence. The two tended to videotape each other to keep a legal record of their encounters.

Silva wasn’t the only one who had trouble with Bally. The association has been through at least eight management companies in its 11 years. A few managers sent the association letters saying they were quitting because of the difficulty of working with Bally.

Palm Beach County Judge Rules Against The Retired New York State Trooper 

Silva testified that he believed he had made his June 2015 maintenance payment electronically to the management association. He went on vacation and didn’t learn until after returning that the association had changed management companies and the payment hadn’t gone through. 

Silva claimed that because the payment didn’t go through there was no record he sent it.

He made the maintenance payment in August. However, he insisted he shouldn’t be assessed late fees.

However, Judge Robert Panse ruled that the HOA  properly assessed him. He also ruled Bally hadn’t selectively enforced the rules. The judge noted that Silva previously filed and lost a case against Bally for discrimination. Silva claimed Bally was treating him unfairly because he is Hispanic.

Panse’s ruling indicated the judge didn’t understand the details of his case and misinterpreted the condo rules, Silva said.

Silva’s attorney is preparing for a rehearing before the judge that he conceded he likely would lose. Silva also plans to appeal to the circuit court. A failed appeal could raise Silva’s bill about $20,000.

The retired New York state trooper in jeopardy of losing his $340,000 townhome. The Ventura Greens at Emerald Dunes Condominium Association is now threatening him with foreclosure if he doesn’t pay the debt in full.

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只有这样的威慑才能让社区干净。北京稍微旧一点的小区物业啥也不管。都是爷谁敢碰? -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 11:41:31

为25刀你让你的房客赔5万?你恶霸地主名副其实啊! -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 11:50:31

5万主要是上法庭的律师费。他要挑战就有可能付出代价。我有一次按时寄支票给HOA -piris1987- 给 piris1987 发送悄悄话 (127 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:03:47

5万元是HOA的律师费,他一定要打倒出庭,他不付难道让HOA各家地主付? -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (106 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:04:37

好像楼主不明白房客房主和HOA的关系。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (68 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:06:13

HOA甚至取消了late fee,可是这个人还是不依不饶。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (459 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:08:06

这个法官绝对有问题了,HOA已经取消了一个月的late fee,证明错在HOA。坚决支持官司继续打下去。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:17:46

文章里面说他以后再也没有付过费,你TOFEL多少分? -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (678 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:22:58

The amount includes additional late fees and attorney charges fo -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:26:55

你TOFEL多少分? -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:27:21

includes 是开放的,includes A,B 不等于 does not include C. -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:34:25

呵呵 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:49:25

你这种挑衅文章去时坛好了。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:08:34

你愿意做恶霸没人拦着你。公道自在人心。另外一句话叫“不见棺材不落泪”,那是你的事喽。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:15:07

你是红卫兵,见个人就骂恶霸,行啦? -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:23:32

你不是恶霸?看你的回帖那起码是恶霸的狗腿子了。天朝像你这样的奴才还真不缺。不过这里是美国。大家法庭见。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:33:06

你贴文的口气就是一个不懂法律的混混,看不懂就开口。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:36:14

你不懂装懂也不是一天了。呵呵。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:42:08

你不懂装懂是今天 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:43:28

支持柠檬 -新手地主刚上路- 给 新手地主刚上路 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:56:52

新手地主刚上路就想作恶霸?记住美国人持枪合法噢。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:59:45

别动不动就给人扣什么恶霸的帽子 -新手地主刚上路- 给 新手地主刚上路 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:23:16

持枪抗租就是流氓 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:52:19

朋友的房子HOA要让他们交钱修墙,每家一万多。并且还要涨HOA费。我是尽量不买,HOA控制严重的cando -pollyli- 给 pollyli 发送悄悄话 pollyli 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 11:52:05

这个人不算冤:HOA跟山姆大叔一样强悍。法律就是这样 -pangpangxiongxiong- 给 pangpangxiongxiong 发送悄悄话 (50 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 12:57:22

是吗?看谁有钱有闲吧。下次贴个HOA倒霉的。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:00:52

有个别HOA出错的情况说明不了啥,闹到法院的,HOA赢20次,屋主都不见得赢一次 -pangpangxiongxiong- 给 pangpangxiongxiong 发送悄悄话 (186 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:09:03

嗯,所以要和HOA斗一定要做好准备,不能只凭血气。 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:37:49

连政府都不敢得罪的是HOA。拥枪反暴政,有木有拿枪解决和HOA冲突滴? -吃素的狼- 给 吃素的狼 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:16:14

不得不说, HOA养活了一大帮子人, 而且都不是什么。。。 -小鸡他爸- 给 小鸡他爸 发送悄悄话 (90 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:23:22

同情这个人的经历,最重要的可能是第一次late fee就是不合理的。我怀疑有些HOA的late fees是随机乱charged而 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (701 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:28:24

且不入账的。我自己就碰到过这种事情。。。。接上 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:30:14

厉害!学习了! -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:32:24

你有记录他们怎么charge你的late fee? charge一次以后还没有记性? -iBear- 给 iBear 发送悄悄话 iBear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:34:33

仔细看贴,我们没晚,但HOA照样charged late fees, several times. -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (46 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:46:52

你拿证据去也不行?我还真没听说过这样的。 -iBear- 给 iBear 发送悄悄话 iBear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:01:37

你付支票,银行是有到帐记录的。网上支付更有记录了。我真不信还会有这种事。 -iBear- 给 iBear 发送悄悄话 iBear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:05:13

你没看懂我在说什么。。。 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:30:39

楼上的案子是没有记录,才败诉的。 -iBear- 给 iBear 发送悄悄话 iBear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:05:26

我说的就是他的第一次Late fee 就可能是不合理的乱收。所以他没付。但他可能没有像我一样拿着证据去找HOA理论,而是 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (98 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 14:29:24

My HOA waived me late late fees twice, all due to my own neglige -purelu- 给 purelu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 19:39:42

法制社会. -不开窍- 给 不开窍 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:33:47

房客晚交租地主一样charge late fee。 HOA为何不能charge地主? 哈哈。 -iBear- 给 iBear 发送悄悄话 iBear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/14/2018 postreply 13:36:38

买了townhouse才知道HOA比居委会大妈厉害。窗帘颜色只准白色或接近白色,carport停车只准车屁股朝外,各家围墙明明好 -混血泰迪熊- 给 混血泰迪熊 发送悄悄话 混血泰迪熊 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/15/2018 postreply 15:05:55

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