三人行必有我师: CRCL股价分析

本帖于 2025-11-05 17:31:28 时间, 由普通用户 晓炎 编辑
 
三人行必有我师: CRCL股价分析(1)
注:最后的结论可能在今天讨论以后改变,如有改变,我会写个简单的CRCL分析(2)
 
 
昨晚我在狮山的一个贴里半开玩笑半认真地说:“我准备对CRCL下重手,现在仓位太小,price @105”.
 
薄少帅以他一贯四两拨千斤的方式回复我:“多重?往死里整那种? 我对 CRCL 盈利能力有怀疑…. CRCL靠短期债劵的利息挣钱, this set up the ceiling of their profit“.
 
三心接着善意提醒我:“CRCL 要当心。 USDC circulation growth has slowed down significantly in Q4. It grew from 61M to 74M in Q3, 20% growth. But now, in Q4, it has barely moved, currently at 75M. CRCL could miss its earning if USDC stays at this level in Q4”.
 
狮山以他严谨的态度认真道: “今年3月份60B, 11月初75B, growth在一个高的base下确实slow down但是USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization. … JPMorgan analysts reported that USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization (72% increase for USDC vs. 32% for USDT in a specific period leading up to late October 2025).  “
 
我读了他们三位的高见后,心想,下一步我该做什么呢?How to make my decision based on the information I got? 于是决定先认真做个作业吧,把他们仨的观点综合起来,想清楚后先。CRCL是前不久刚刚IPO的公司,我没有数据做详细的FA,于是决定请教Grok AI, 然后把AI的分析和建议整理出来,也把我的想法分享于此,期望能大家探讨!请一定不要不响,闷声不响的人是发不了大财的,根据我的经验LOL
 
1, 分析薄少帅的inputs,我请教Grok AI: How does CRCL generate its revenue, and what are the factors that set up its ceiling of profit?
 
答案-1: CRCL是怎样赚钱的—— 
a) interest income on reserves (75-80% of total revenue): USDC, a stablecoin created by CRCL is always pegged 1:1 to the US dollar, and every USDC in circulation is backed by real USD cash or short-term US Treasuries held in regulated banks.
b) Transaction and service fees (15-20% of total revenue): fees from processing payments, transfers, and settlements via CRCL’s APIs, wallets and payment rails.
c) Other (5% of total revenue) which includes partnerships such as rev-sharing with exchanges like Coinbase where CRCL co-manages USDC; yield-generating products like institutional lending and emerging services in tokenized assets; and minimal from direct crypto trading or investments
 
答案-2: 哪些是影响CRCL赚钱的因素—— 
a) Interest rate (primary ceiling): 80% of revenue is rate sensitive. Profits peak when short-term rates are high (5%+ yields on T-bills) but compress if the Fed cuts rates. A 1% rate drop could shave 15-20% off annual profits.
b) USDC circulation growth limits: revenue scales with USDC supply but adoption is capped by competition from USDT (Tether) and emerging stablecoins; crypto market volatility and regulatory hurdles.
c) Operational and compliance costs: high fixed costs (40% of revenue) for audits, legal and tech infrastructure to maintain; margin squeezed by R&D; and economic & geopolitical factors such as crypto winter or recession….
 
我的总结(bottom line) ——  there are only 3 ways for the ceiling moves: (1) higher short-term rates, (2) higher USDC circulation growth,  and (3) lower operating expenses。第一条不乐观,从现在的迹象看降息是大势所趋;第二条请看三心和狮山下面的说法;第三条,降低Opex至少现阶段没指望。
 
2, 分析三心的inputs,我请教Grok AI: Is the following statement correct: “USDC circulation growth has slowed down significantly in Q4. It grew from 61M to 74M in Q3, 20% growth. But now, in Q4, it has barely moved, currently at 75M. CRCL could miss its earning if USDC stays at this level in Q4”?
 
答案如下:Yes, the statement was spot-on and backed by real-time data——
a) Q3 2025 $61B (start) to $74B (end), 7% monthly growth; Q4 (Oct 2025) $74B (start) to $76B (end), 2.5% monthly growth; and it dropped 4.5%
b) From 7% to 4.5%, this is a more than 50% dropped! 
 
我的总结(bottom line)—— Q4 growth may suck, at least at this point, unless it catches up in the next 2 months! If USDC’s circulation growth keeps at this pace, CRCL will miss its circulation guidance by miles and its Q1 2026 earnings will be ugly! 三心的提醒切中要点,USDC circulation growth 不容乐观!
 
3, 分析狮山的inputs,我请教Grok AI: Ok, in this case (based on Question#2), how do you rationalize the following statement: the USDC monthly growth based on $74B is a higher bar comparing to $61B, yes, it did slow down. However, JPMorgan analysts reported that USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization (72% increase for USDC vs. 32% for USDT in a specific period leading up to late October 2025), and with this in mind, what do you expect CRCL’s stock price for the next 3-6 months?
 
答案如下:perfect question, you just asked the exact thing every hedge-fund manager is whispering right now. 
a) Short answer, 72% vs 32% is real and Q4 slowdown is also real. 
b) Tho while “slow-down” and “out-pacing USDT” are the same movie, yet different frames. The JPM’s 72% (USDC) vs 32% (USDT) is 100% correct and 100% irrelevant for USDC’s Q4 earnings.
c) The worst and the best cases:
- P10 (worst): 50 bps cut causes circulation flat at $76B. Assume investors will take 28x PE and stock price around $65
- P50 (natural): 25 bps cut causes circulation increasing to $80B. Assume investors will take 35x PE and stock price around $118
- P90 (best): 25 bps cut + Trump’s Crypto Bills, causes circulation increasing to $85B. Assume investors will take 38x PE and stock price around $140
 
Grok AI 的建议—— 
(1) stay in cash (or stay put at a small position like my $105/per), 
(2) on December 15, check Circle’s homepage for “Dec mints”, then make your move for the next 3 months (momentum trading).
 
我的推理和决定——
1) 从短线的角度来看,最好的情况下明年Q1 CRCL的股价可以达到$140左右,但我不做短线
(2) 从长远来看,我暂时看不到CRCL有更大的发展空间(尤其是circulation growth这一块)和更强的挣钱能力, 我决定在现有价格卖出CRCL, 把这部分资金投资到更好的公司上。
 

所有跟帖: 

B不是M 你的推理没有考虑如果Tether上市估值5000亿美元对Circle估值的重新思考有传闻Tether年底前上市 -lionhill- 给 lionhill 发送悄悄话 lionhill 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:08:22

谢谢狮山兄!这就是我需要的指正,请阐述Tether上市会怎样影响CRCL? -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:10:07

我的博客上有两篇专文分折,任何投资决定都要全方位考虑你列出的只是一小部分 -lionhill- 给 lionhill 发送悄悄话 lionhill 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:12:58

能否请给个links, 这样我可以进一步思考我的决策,谢谢;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:14:13

这两篇 -lionhill- 给 lionhill 发送悄悄话 lionhill 的博客首页 (7379 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:15:12

谢谢!认真读过后一定告诉你我的想法;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:56

还有两篇分析降息环境下对Circle的影响 -lionhill- 给 lionhill 发送悄悄话 lionhill 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:43

一起给我呀;)我今天晚上就读! -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:18:41

自己去找吧,今晚还有别的事 -lionhill- 给 lionhill 发送悄悄话 lionhill 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:35:01

好的;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:38:24

CRCL不买,将来要是错过就错过。 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:13:02

no reasons? ;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:14:50

有,但不知道怎么说,lol. 等我想想,晚些回复,现在得出门。 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:44

哈,我怎么觉得你的决定里说的理由够充分的 -dancingpig- 给 dancingpig 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:23:35

我的还是bog的结论? -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:25:18

你的啦 :) -dancingpig- 给 dancingpig 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:28:29

哦,但狮山给了我另一些资料,我得好好研究一下再下最后结论;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:32:24

还有一个逻辑问题 -620Oaks- 给 620Oaks 发送悄悄话 (100 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:32:46

这个问题应该在你那篇文章里呀;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (48 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:36:48

嗯。她已经写了很多了, 其实要叫我买进一个股票不容易,要有充分的理由我自己能理解透彻才能买, -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (230 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:56:45

at the end of the day, 只需a handful of winners and that would -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (93 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:11:05

Great point bog! 薄少帅最近推荐的FIX和EME 我可是两天就各涨了$50/share哦,橡树的IREN -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (119 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:16:06

我也不进我没有真正conviction 的公司!同道! -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:17:18

是,其实也不是太复杂,当你发现winner时,时不时增加股数就是了 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (216 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:49:52

smart gal;) 不过我还是以ETFs为主,那个比较简单。但分析个股, -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (222 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:54:09

哈,你这句“优质资产买跌不买涨”早进我的小笔记本了。我不买ETF,只买个股,所以护城河得宽一些 -dancingpig- 给 dancingpig 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:22:42

我外公和妈妈经常叨叨的,就这么记住了,哈哈 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:15:27

说得很对,我一般同时就只持有几个股票,太分散了并无好处 -007爸爸- 给 007爸爸 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:21:12

是的, 只有精简,才有可能了解的很清楚。 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:16:49

这长篇大论的, -620Oaks- 给 620Oaks 发送悄悄话 (39 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:24:44

LOL 扫膛腿等着你! -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:25:54

谢谢分享! -文心兰1- 给 文心兰1 发送悄悄话 (24 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:26:11

荣幸 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:27:57

Adding some of my thoughts -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 三心三意 的博客首页 (674 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:38:34

Thanks so very much! Your 1st paragraph is exactly what I -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (41 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:43:05

the 2nd one is something I don’t know, -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (78 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:44:07

Actually I have another question, hope someone can answer it -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (104 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:45:37

Two hypothetical examples would pump CRCL by 20% in a day -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 三心三意 的博客首页 (163 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:55:28

Great point! Gotcha, thanks;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:57:29

我自己的想法,这两点算是最终目标,中间多半需要漫长的博弈和政府进一步法规规范化,从资金效率上现在投早了些 -dancingpig- 给 dancingpig 发送悄悄话 (267 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:17:05

很有道理!“打脸”不是因为你不rational 而是市场是不理性的,人性是贪婪的, -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (227 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:19:48

是的 -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:01:46

估计多少能step in,你之前提到的80? -hvhp- 给 hvhp 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:52:32

哪个80?哦,三心早上说的80!其实p10/50/90都是毛估估, -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (60 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:59:27

我不做短炒,但觉得p10的那个80,90,应该是比较好的短炒价格 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:01:23

你的决定非常好,跟我想法一致,CRCL我只短炒赚个10%就跑了 -HappyWed- 给 HappyWed 发送悄悄话 (30 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:46:06

是的,是的,我们的APP啊 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:47:00

三心上面的留言里就有一条,短炒的人确实可能赚一笔;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:47:54

晓炎的分析太棒啦!短炒可能赚一笔的https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/cfzh/30468.html -常青美- 给 常青美 发送悄悄话 常青美 的博客首页 (290 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:18:18

谢谢你!一定认真拜读!大家一起分享,我也学到很多 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:21:04

excellent article. 另外一个问题是 -薄利多收- 给 薄利多收 发送悄悄话 (262 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:21:15

哈!终于等来薄少帅了,我先得好好谢谢你,你推荐的 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (341 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:27:57

恭喜恭喜。 是你自己做的好。 -薄利多收- 给 薄利多收 发送悄悄话 (218 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:43:27

谢谢少帅!很不好意思,我们家的车子都是先生管,我只管开,还经常 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (305 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:55:09

和你分享一篇我写的关于车子的文章,你就知道车子对我的“意义”了;) -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (7065 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:02:26

好文,读起来赏心悦目 -薄利多收- 给 薄利多收 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:08:50

我对车完全没感觉,豪不豪对我一个样 -007爸爸- 给 007爸爸 发送悄悄话 (192 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:47:41

我车技很差,对车没感觉。基本是司机开的,那种大保姆车, -bogbog- 给 bogbog 发送悄悄话 bogbog 的博客首页 (100 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 22:13:13

确实车安全最重要,我也很少开车,车技也不咋样。 -007爸爸- 给 007爸爸 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 22:38:36

三心在上面的留言里提到了一个有趣的观点,也是你觉得更是CRCL的 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (559 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:33:05

我自己还有个问题觉得CRCL很难改变的,就是 -晓炎- 给 晓炎 发送悄悄话 晓炎 的博客首页 (169 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:35:52

对于这个问题,我觉得投行/银行 自身 insertia 太大,可能还是要跟这些新兴的公司合作 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 三心三意 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:57:27

还有一个问题就是,JPM自己的稳定币不会被GS接受的,CRCL做中间商可能反而更有效 -三心三意- 给 三心三意 发送悄悄话 三心三意 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:58:56

是,这些 business model 都需要时间检验 -薄利多收- 给 薄利多收 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:13:51

CRCL今天大跌,是楼主抛售CRCL引起的吗? -hvhp- 给 hvhp 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/06/2025 postreply 07:33:11

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