谢谢橡树:给坛友们推荐一只股(IREN)
我的工作压力蛮大的,所以上坛里来玩最主要的目的是“找乐子”减压,于是碰到有趣的人便喜欢抓住开玩笑,与橡树的交流便是这样开始的。他不介意我时不时没轻没重地开他的玩笑,贼大气;我也一样,明白什么样的玩笑是善意的,在说笑中快乐LOL。
我们中国人有句话叫“有心栽花花不开,无心插柳柳成荫“,本是”找乐子“的我却是在这里学到了很多。譬如,与橡树谈笑间,我买进了一只股:IREN,一个在我看来值得长持的公司,从两天前我的均价$65到今天closing price @$76, 上涨了17% …..谢谢橡树博士!
我个人认为这只股如果能在均价$70左右买入并长持,长期回报(3-5年)应该是不错的,当然若有回调,价格更低会更好,所以推荐。橡树今天早上还提供了一个好消息:” Roth Capital raised IREN targeted price to 94 from 82.“
下面的几段里,我先说说我的做法,然后分享我和橡树的探讨,大家可以自己做决定,赚还是赔都是自己的,愿赌服输!哈!:)
《我的做法》—— 我在前天以$66/per建仓,昨天在$64追了一笔,均价$65。以后希望能够再酌情加仓三次。
《我为啥在$66建仓》—— 我给aloevera坛友的回答:
1,前不久橡树介绍了这个公司给我,我们讨论了一下,当时根据它的business model, fundamentals, convertible's offering terms and conditions,我的估价是25-45-70 。
2,11/3早上Microsoft投资 $10B给IREN的消息出来 以后,这家公司的investment rationality 在我看来改变了,我对它的估价改变为45-75-120。
3,对于我看好的公司,我从来不timing 买在最低。我投资的是这家公司今后5-10年或更长时间的growth。5-10年以后,现在进仓价的一点点差别应该可以忽略。所以我只会在建立底仓后,每跌每买。亦或(比较少见)上涨中再进。我的逻辑思维是-- 就象我们make business deals 那样,一个好的deal,如果你想利益极大化,那么你很可能什么也得不到。
《我和橡树的交流》——
橡树:
My 2 cents, what're your thoughts? Thx :)
A summary below:
1, it's a high risk, high return stock (IREN)
2, Pros that I like the most:
- Business covers not just BTC mining but also AI
- $1B debt with 0% interest (cost of CAPEX is none)
- Maturing time frame is decent (6 years), this gives the company time to grow
- Capped call price $120, I'm not very sure about this, guess this means that no one can convert the $1B bonds till the stock reaches its $120, so there isn't dilution risk till then?
3, Cons that I'd be concerned the most:
- the stock price will be swinging with BTC's high volatility, if its crypto mining + AI demand slowed down or even worse, faded, how will IREN repay the $1B since it's in a CAPEX intensive industry?
公司convertible bonds offering 文章(note: 这篇文章对于你的投资决策很重要,所以建议仔细理解)
https://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/iren-closes-10-billion-convertible-notes-offering-2025-10-14
晓炎:
I checked the 42.5% premium, which seems standard for that sector. Based on the initial conversion price of $85.63, the “fair” stock price would be around $45, assuming everything goes smoothly. That said, if we factor in the risks, what's the worst-case scenario?
这个公司最大的风险其实来自capex, 很多重Capital spending 的企业都如此. For this type of project, key risks include capital overspend, schedule delays, AI usages, and BTC price depreciation, etc. These are all quite broad uncertainties, so I think the estimates must include a wide probabilistic range, saying, P10 at -50%, P90 at +50%, with a P50 base case of $45 per unit--- $25-$75?
橡树:
IREN盘前猛涨
晓炎:
刚刚看到了,是MSFT的10B deal吧!恭喜!如此看来,它会向120走,P10从25升到45-55!
我觉得现在也是可以买进底盘的时候,既然p90很大概率涨过120(the capped non-dilutable price),70也不是高价。我准备开盘后买一些,以后有跌时再加。只是我看TA的水平极差lol,如果你看了TA觉得稳定以后,即使往上走也可以进的话,也请告诉我!