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来源: buydip? 2018-04-21 19:05:09 [] [博客] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (2079 bytes)
KERRY O’BRIEN: YOU’VE DESCRIBED NUCLEAR TERRORISM AS AMERICA’S GREATEST RISK IN THE SHORT AND LONG TERM, BUT CLIMATE CHANGE HAS ALSO BEEN DESCRIBED AS THE GREATEST SINGLE RISK TO HUMANITY. YOU MET CHINESE PRESIDENT HU ON MONDAY. DID YOU TWO MAKE ANY PROGRESS ON CLIMATE CHANGE, BECAUSE SURELY THE SOLUTION IS LARGELY IN THE END IN YOUR HANDS AND HIS?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well you know I think China has an enormous interest in solving this problem. You know if you talk to Chinese leaders I think they will acknowledge immediately that if over a billion Chinese citizens have the same living patterns as Australians and Americans do right now then all of us are in for a very miserable time, the planet just can’t sustain it, so they understand that they’ve got to make a decision about a new model that is more sustainable that allows them to pursue the economic growth that they’re pursuing while at the same time dealing with these environmental consequences. So I think they understand intellectually. Right now though they’re understandable impulse is to say well let’s let the developed countries, the Australias, and the Americas deal with this problem first and we’ll get to it when we’ve caught up a little bit in terms of our standard of living. The point we’ve tried to make is we can’t, we can’t allow China to wait. We have to take responsibility and do what needs to be done, but if emerging countries not just China but also India, Brazil and others are pursuing a path in which they replace us as the largest carbon emitters, that’s not a sustainable practical approach, so we’re going to have to have everybody moving on the same track at the same time.
 
 

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匪夷所思么?当然,每个人可以有不同解读。 -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 19:14:51

这和所谓“原罪”没有半毛钱的关系,而且,把分歧讲得非常实在,更 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (355 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:07:21

西方排碳炭上百年了,发展好了。现在轮到中国发展了,却要中国和西方承担同样的责任。找出新路? -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:20:30

如果找不到新路还要不要发展?允不允许发展? -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:34:38

你这个“如果”成立吗? -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:38:14

成立。发展中国家没有技术,没有资金。而事实上发达国家的排放比发展中国家多得多。 -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:52:44

发达国家可是要掏钱和技术帮不发达的国家。 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:58:58

这个问题以前争过,我不记得细节了,但是,你 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (724 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:36:36

偶找了这篇。太长,给个链接 -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (176 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:50:42

如果这样讲还不行,那就是不行了。既然很长,就不看了,再说,也不是协议原文。就此打住。晚安。 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 21:03:39

偶的意思很明白,中国的发展一定会改变西方制定的游戏规则,这是原罪。 -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 21:08:58

不对的,在一个开放的社会,没有这样的逻辑。很显然,西方 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (199 bytes) () 04/22/2018 postreply 07:30:02

好了,各自保留各自的看法吧。 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/22/2018 postreply 07:34:21

你这个比喻是不恰当的,碳排放不能等同于药 -26岛- 给 26岛 发送悄悄话 26岛 的博客首页 (443 bytes) () 04/22/2018 postreply 00:33:58

假如啊, -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (257 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:43:06

有一段跟帖很好,"以后中国人每多用一度电,让美国人少用四度电,行不?" -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 21:14:12

本来打住了,早上一看,还停不住,好玩。这个跟帖啊,不通的 -水明善- 给 水明善 发送悄悄话 (176 bytes) () 04/22/2018 postreply 07:18:30

说到减排,也许中国比美国做得还好, -平静心北美- 给 平静心北美 发送悄悄话 (92 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 20:56:31

是的。再抄一段。 -buydip?- 给 buydip? 发送悄悄话 buydip? 的博客首页 (1061 bytes) () 04/21/2018 postreply 21:26:16

说到碳排放和污染,没有比美国更不负责任的国家了 -trump2018- 给 trump2018 发送悄悄话 (2235 bytes) () 04/22/2018 postreply 04:00:32

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