很好的采访， 一个半小时，有点长， 看了一半。
but I think other ones, frankly, are probably much more secure, which again is the ultimate irony is that the nerds like me
are putting themselves out of business. - Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Trade school is going to make a comeback. - I tell my students, and I'm only half joking,
"You better learn how to fix a toilet." - Right. - I mean, no kidding.
