当辛顿说,智力的本质是学习,而不是推理,什么意思?你同意吗?

In the early days, back in the 50s, people like von Neumann and didn’t believe in symbolic AI, they were far more inspired by the brain. Unfortunately, they both died much too young, and their voice wasn’t heard.

And in the early days of AI, people were completely convinced that the representations you need for intelligence were symbolic expressions of some kind. Not quite logic, but something like logic, and that the essence of intelligence was reasoning.

What’s happened now is, there’s a completely different view, which is that what a thought is just a great big vector of neural activity, so contrast that with a thought being a symbolic expression. And I think the people who thought that thoughts were symbolic expressions just made a huge mistake.

What comes in is a string of words, and what comes out is a string of words. And because of that, strings of words are the obvious way to represent things. So they thought what must be in between was a string of words, or something like a string of words. And I think what’s in between is nothing like a string of words. I think the idea that thoughts must be in some kind of language is as silly as the idea that understanding the layout of a spatial scene must be in pixels, pixels come in, then pixels would come out, but what’s in between isn’t pixels.

And so I think thoughts are just these great big vectors, and that big vectors have causal powers. They cause other big vectors, and that’s utterly unlike the standard AI view that thoughts are symbolic expressions.

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哪里说智力的本质是学习了?文中说的是big vector? 但是显然说得不清不楚。。。 -两女宝妈- 给 两女宝妈 发送悄悄话 两女宝妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:24:25

他是AI鼻祖之一,他不知道AI第一步是学习,第二步是推理吧? -青裁- 给 青裁 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:27:00

感觉他在破除神秘化?是说学习能自然延伸到推理。。。 -oryzivore- 给 oryzivore 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:39:56

学习不是一个更大的范畴?难道推理不是一种学习? -两女宝妈- 给 两女宝妈 发送悄悄话 两女宝妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:59:30

他的意思说推理也是把一串输入符号映射到另一串符号,因此LLM之类的模型可以做推理 -IT-guy- 给 IT-guy 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:02:07

对。我也是这么理解的 -oryzivore- 给 oryzivore 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:04:00

推理是学习后的延伸,赫赫。。我怎么觉得这段文字更像欧钢娃的对语言的描述。。。不过这里换成了Vectors。 -Midwestrural- 给 Midwestrural 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:31:22

绕!思想是矢量而不是symbolic expression 。可怜我都没看懂。你的回帖也看不懂 -oryzivore- 给 oryzivore 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:37:53

欧钢娃说,你思想的矢量不管如何高深,也需要通过语言表达出来,而你所能表达出来的东西,就是其他人对你思想认识的边界。。赫赫 -Midwestrural- 给 Midwestrural 发送悄悄话 (334 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:42:52

欧刚娃是???回头我去看看 -oryzivore- 给 oryzivore 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:45:30

我也是听了罗刹海市这首歌,去恶补了一下欧钢娃的理论。。赫赫。。欧钢娃名叫维特根斯坦,Wittgenstein。 -Midwestrural- 给 Midwestrural 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:48:07

我也是……哈哈,不过实话说,我觉得这首歌挺low。 -会飞的小猪- 给 会飞的小猪 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:49:50

我觉得你这个逻辑是通的。 -会飞的小猪- 给 会飞的小猪 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:43:05

稍有机器学习知识的人都会能理解这段话 -frank_xulu- 给 frank_xulu 发送悄悄话 (401 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:51:56

贴一下俺跟chatGPT的讨论 -linda2- 给 linda2 发送悄悄话 linda2 的博客首页 (6660 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:54:56

你是个认真严谨爱专研的同学。。。赫赫 -Midwestrural- 给 Midwestrural 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:56:39

哈哈,因为跟俺做的研究有关啊 LOL -linda2- 给 linda2 发送悄悄话 linda2 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 14:59:06

neo relationship 或者说是 graph relationship -加州lalin- 给 加州lalin 发送悄悄话 加州lalin 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/30/2024 postreply 15:29:00

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