Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges, 名单见内

Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges : r/ApplyingToCollege (reddit.com)

I have a love-hate relationship with rankings. I think they're fascinating due to the effect they have public perceptions of college prestige but also completely worthless in determining anything about actual program quality. But they sort of self-legitimize themselves by skewing employer and grad school preferences of undergraduate colleges, thus creating a self-fufilling prophecy. That being said after diving down a rabbit hole of post-graduation employment outcomes and the unreliability of datasets for comparative use, I decided to use the last few hours to slap-dash an analysis of "degree premiums" at a set of competitive colleges to see where has the best brand bang-for-buck.

Datasets Used

  • US Department of Education College Scorecard Dataset 2019-2020

  • Niche (Reference Point)

Methodology

I started off with a set of schools given an A+ ranking in Academics on Niche. This is a bit subjective but I feel the 49 research universities and 29 liberal arts colleges from this group decently represent commonly agreed upon prestigious and semi-prestigious schools. From there I isolated the reported 2021 post-graduation income using the DoE Scorecard for each school, by major - then comparing that income with the national average income for the major. For transformation in to a neat excel file I indexed and ranked these schools by a premium that was taken from the averaged difference between all majors and the national averages by college. There are some holes (primarily small reference points for many programs and heterogeneous distribution of majors who themselves have heteroskedastic income variances) but this is just a rough product being posted at 3:20 AM when I have like 3 quizzes tmr so too bad! its good enough for a mid-low effortpost.

I've divided these colleges in to five groups:

Very-High Premium Schools (+$30,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Harvey Mudd

  • CalTech

  • MIT

  • UPenn

  • Stanford

  • Harvard

While it's interesting only 3 of the 5 HYPSM schools made it on here, given the intense connections to Wall Street and Silicon Valley at these schools and relatively weaker grad school prep culture than say - Princeton, the degree premium is a bit less surprising considering the likelihood these schools have stronger network effects in the private sector than their peers.

High Premium Schools (+$15,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Dartmouth

  • Duke

  • Johns Hopkins

  • CMU

  • Yale

  • Claremont McKenna

  • Georgetown

  • UChicago

  • Columbia

  • Northwestern

  • Vanderbilt

  • Princeton

  • Rice

  • Cornell

  • UC Berkeley

  • NYU

Much of the T20 here so no real surprises. NYU's strengths in its business and journalism department + wage inflation for high numbers of graduates residing in New York may inflate it's graduation premium.

Moderate Premium Schools (+$10,000 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Washington & Lee

  • Bowdoin

  • Georgia Tech

  • Northeastern

  • Notre Dame

  • BC

  • Pomona

  • Amherst

  • Villanova

  • USC

  • Emory

  • Williams

  • Swarthmore

  • Barnard

  • Colgate

  • Wake Forest

  • Middlebury

  • BU

  • UVA

  • Tufts

  • WashU St. Louis

  • Wellesley

Elite LAC's and big private research universities that either lower end T20's that lack "breakout" programs or are part of Boston's "magnificent seven". Also a few top public colleges. This zone seems to represent the premium placed on research university degrees compared to equivalent liberal arts schools as well as either top schools with poor career services or just-below-top schools significant institutional clout.

Low Premium Schools (+$0 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Trinity (Texas)

  • Bucknell

  • Wesleyan

  • Brandeis

  • Lehigh

  • UMichigan

  • UT Austin

  • Colby

  • Brown

  • UCLA

  • Davidson

  • URochester

  • UW Madison

  • Haverford

  • Case Western

  • Bates

  • UNC Chapel Hill

  • Bryn Mawr

  • UIUC

  • UC San Diego

  • Hamilton

  • URichmond

  • UMiami

  • UFlorida

  • William & Mary

  • Kenyon

  • UGeorgia

  • Vassar

Public Colleges and Liberal Arts Colleges continue to get depressed premiums on the market compared to their private school peers. The only major outlier is Brown, which may be due to a mix of student culture and more interest in liberal arts style education.

Disutility Colleges (Less than $0 Starting Salary Premium)

  • Tulane

  • Macalester

  • Carleton

  • Grinnell

  • Smith

  • Colorado

Primarily minor colleges in regions where incomes are lower than average.

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泥巴辣么厉害? -成功的飞过- 给 成功的飞过 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:12:09

显然不可能啊,这些lac也非常在意各种排名的 -成功的米菲兔- 给 成功的米菲兔 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:21:55

一个年级两百多人,大都是stem怎么不可能 -yddad- 给 yddad 发送悄悄话 yddad 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:49:26

你大意了吧,在payscale里,泥粑可是第四 -bigcat2026- 给 bigcat2026 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:52:57

没几所公立大学 -sportfan- 给 sportfan 发送悄悄话 sportfan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:12:27

又是scorecard的資料 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (62 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:13:10

就是只算穷娃娃?这也是歧视吧lol -成功的米菲兔- 给 成功的米菲兔 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:14:15

也不算窮啊 收入二十萬的也可以拿FA啊 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (309 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:17:56

大佬是富人想法何不食肉糜lol, 大部分学校的FA是算上贷款的,不会都是grant -成功的米菲兔- 给 成功的米菲兔 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:20:15

但藤校都有入列啊 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (91 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:24:15

是不是看Pell? -留仙之二九零零年右移- 给 留仙之二九零零年右移 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:20:32

大佬不知道pell那得穷人家的战斗机才能拿到?要不至少得让山姆大叔觉得你穷lol -成功的米菲兔- 给 成功的米菲兔 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:23:16

scorecard統計的是fed loan 不是pell -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:25:27

也用了Niche的数据,否则结果不是这样。只用scoreboard,藤校(H,Y)要下降。 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:09:27

不是的 他只用Niche去挑選那些學校來比較 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (39 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:17:20

那样数据就不对了。CMU Scoreboard收入中值比三大藤高不少, 比Penn也高 115k vs 111k -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:26:54

你有沒有看他的本文啊? -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (393 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:16:21

你看的仔细。不过这属于画蛇添足,可能还算错了 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:44:26

这种排名看着玩就好lol -成功的米菲兔- 给 成功的米菲兔 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:13:20

油米排这么低? -Dreamback1- 给 Dreamback1 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:19:00

按钱排名T6: T1-T3技校,T4职校,T5-T6名校 -Wakeland- 给 Wakeland 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:24:00

T4也是名校好嘛 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (167 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:26:56

同意,Penn在各种排名都是第六,第七,算上钱的因素,应该进T5,估计能把Y挤下去 -Wakeland- 给 Wakeland 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:33:00

除了本科 如果再加上醫法商 那就更強了啊 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:36:58

宾州的私校毕业收入都高,宾大,CMU,Swartmore。这和宾州私校面向实践的教学理念有关。 -whaled- 给 whaled 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:15:37

Upenn在各种排名都非常稳定的前10. 说明这学校真好!实力在那,怎么排都可以。 -onlyone1074- 给 onlyone1074 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:45:52

是不是沾了Wharton 的光?Penn的医法商倒都是好口碑。 -BeagleDog- 给 BeagleDog 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:55:40

一直有个问题,紫檀心中的排名和美国人民的主流“排名”是否一致:) -yddad- 给 yddad 发送悄悄话 yddad 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:38:11

美国人民可能不太在乎这些。家长会碰到纽约家长,老二也被T20录取了,最后选了Penn State,富家子弟 -留仙之二九零零年右移- 给 留仙之二九零零年右移 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:49:40

去讀外州大 唯一的解釋他是PSU football的球迷 -violinpiano- 给 violinpiano 发送悄悄话 (167 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:52:45

认识老白中产舍H去大米的,因为大米给钱 -Wakeland- 给 Wakeland 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:54:00

这是我第一次听说舍弃H去大米FR的,知道有弃M去大米FR的 -留仙之二九零零年右移- 给 留仙之二九零零年右移 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 07:57:21

说实在的,白人这种根据投入来择校的松弛劲,我还挺佩服的。 -幸福象花儿一样- 给 幸福象花儿一样 发送悄悄话 幸福象花儿一样 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:57:17

基本客观,和payscle的比较一下大致符合。有趣的是的是Brown在 -bigcat2026- 给 bigcat2026 发送悄悄话 (138 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 08:28:02

我村公高,在州里排名是十多名之后,但是如果按大学的回复对学生的满意程度,力压磁校和排名好的公校成为州第一 -janeice60- 给 janeice60 发送悄悄话 (161 bytes) () 09/30/2024 postreply 09:03:03

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