说到课程难易,看看这篇关于 Cal 和 Stanford CS 比较的文章

来源: STEMkid 2023-04-07 09:55:30 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (3242 bytes)

From Quora:

Which undergrad is more difficult: CS at UC Berkeley or Stanford?

I got my BS in EECS from Cal and then proceeded to get a Ph.D. in CS at Stanford. While both were very positive experiences, the cultures at the two are very different.

When I first started at Stanford, the one sentence difference that stuck in my mind was that at Stanford the university likes the students. Let me highlight with a few stories.

My first semester at Cal, I took an honors class in math with 20 to 30 students (it's been a while so I don't remember exactly). The Professor had been living in the US for 20 years, yet still couldn't speak or write English; the lesson on Hook's law drew a lot of laughter when he wrote and pronounced Fuk's law and couldn't understand why everyone was laughing. Before the first midterm, he explicitly told the class that there would be no curve; an A would require 90%. Out of 15 points, the class average was 5. Since there was no curve he let the students retake the test. Despite giving us the exact same questions, the average only went up to 7. Now the kicker, he returned the results the day after the deadline for dropping the class. While half the class wanted to switch to the regular class, a rule was a rule and none could.

Upper division classes at Berkeley were nicer but more work. One class had two separate assignments that required working in the lab until 4 AM on the day following an all nighter. Tons of work but not busy work. We were building real systems and that's what it takes to make them work.

Now let's switch to Stanford. One day I get a parking ticket for $14. I didn't bother to pay it. A month later I get a threatening note that because I didn't pay on time, the fine was now going to be $13.

One of the first classes I took at Stanford gave two programming assignments the entire quarter. One was very easy and one was average, not even close to the Berkeley project. The following year, I shared an office with the TA of the Stanford class. The professor walked in and told the TA that students were evaluating his class as too hard, and the administrating told him that if he didn't improve his evaluations, he would not get promoted from Associate to full Professor. Therefore, the professor was dropping the second assignment. I can't imagine such a conversation in Berkeley.

So, which is harder, Berkeley no doubt. Which is better, it really depends on what you need. Both have very smart students: at the top end the students are very similar, at the bottom end there are more such students at Berkeley. Both have great professors. Berkeley will try to break you, although mostly just in the first couple of years. If you make it through the hazing, Berkeley is a wonderful place that will challenge you like no place else and prepare you for the real world. If you don't survive the hazing, and many don't, you will drop out.

Stanford will expose you to the best professors and the best students. You will make great connections. If you are self motivated, you will learn a lot. If you are not, you will coast through.

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What does it mean here ""to speak or write English"? -其乐无穷- 给 其乐无穷 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:02:34

我的理解是说的口音太重,写的不流畅 -两女宝妈- 给 两女宝妈 发送悄悄话 两女宝妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:07:57

可悲的是受了这么多年woke教育的孩子说起外国教授来还是一副50年代的stereotype的歧视。 -windyLL- 给 windyLL 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:18:53

这怎么算是歧视,本来很多外国教授英语差是事实。学生花了打钱来学习,结果教授英语不行,教课也不行,我都为学生叫冤。 -甘家口的巷子- 给 甘家口的巷子 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:45:31

我跟她们说藤校就是疗养院,她们非要担心人家读不下去 -avw- 给 avw 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:04:58

藤是 -凊荷- 给 凊荷 发送悄悄话 凊荷 的博客首页 (57 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:12:28

个人还是倾向于挑战性大的大学 -两女宝妈- 给 两女宝妈 发送悄悄话 两女宝妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:06:33

it is hard to compare apple with orange -mom2023- 给 mom2023 发送悄悄话 (311 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:11:23

典型的Cal毕业生的文笔,够能编的,很会打插边球 -windyLL- 给 windyLL 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:15:34

人家是在 quora 实名写的,比这里人可信多了,为啥说他是编的,那你去看看他的profile吧 -STEMkid- 给 STEMkid 发送悄悄话 (193 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:20:41

那个层主向来看不起硬核男娃。 -成功的小猴子- 给 成功的小猴子 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:15:57

Cal 比大S作业,projects 难应该是公认的 -newca- 给 newca 发送悄悄话 newca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 10:48:41

是的,这不就是几所硬核大学CS的特点吗?!各取所需就行 -两女宝妈- 给 两女宝妈 发送悄悄话 两女宝妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:01:12

感觉学生的话可能还是S强吧。Top 学生同时有两校offer 的大概率去S。平均和垫底的话,Cal招那么多CC 转校生 -阿拉拉- 给 阿拉拉 发送悄悄话 (177 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:22:56

应该两校看重的不一样。S 喜欢social 的,体育音乐好的,社会活动家什么的,成绩不是最主要的。 -成功的小猴子- 给 成功的小猴子 发送悄悄话 (143 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:51:24

比出啥结果了吗?你娃有这两个offer,你选Cal? -Huyou2023- 给 Huyou2023 发送悄悄话 (167 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:24:45

总共15分的卷子只考了7分,还需要教授把成绩发回来?自我感觉太好了,还是根本就什么就不懂? -lzr- 给 lzr 发送悄悄话 lzr 的博客首页 (669 bytes) () 04/07/2023 postreply 11:57:33

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