MIT dean of admission 谈小中拼奥赛的歧路

来源: 乱千羽 2022-01-30 16:25:55 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (2298 bytes)

You must understand the context of MIT's applicant pool. Very few average students apply there just for the thrill of it as you’d find in Ivy applicant pools that have a far wider range of candidates. MIT's pool is highly distilled, with students who have scores and grades that mostly fall within the right range. There are many USAMO students in the pool, as well as students at the top of every STEM field. They are MIT's typical candidates.

But they do not all have the ‘right stuff’.

MIT is looking to admit people who take big initiative, who create things that weren’t there before for themselves and for others yet to come. It’s an applied kind of education, so the accent is on creative action. Many students who make USAMO are not like this and so are not a natural match. And remember, if MIT is taking only 7–8% of their applicant pool, and 95% of that pool has the grades and scores you suggest, most of those top kids are not getting in. That 7–8% are people who have done the remarkable, above and beyond their metrics.

For Asian students in particular this is often puzzling and even frustrating because often their ECAs heavily involve academic competitions. MIT is looking for much more than that.

So if you want MIT, and you are not on the US Math Olympiad team, please pivot and look to explore other areas of interest that are not necessarily STEM focused. Develop other parts of your personality. Take some social risks by organizing others around a common goal. Follow your curiosity and take it as far as you can. Pay attention to current events and find ways to alleviate the suffering around you. Do things/lead things/create things outside of your high school, reaching into your larger community. Use your skills to help others succeed.

All of these things will not only make you a better candidate. Because your brain will grow more neurons across the corpus callosum between the brain hemispheres, making it easier for both sides to talk to each other, you’ll be smarter in the end. And way more interesting to MIT

要点是如果小中不在USMO美国队,就得想别的招。

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the dean didn't do homework -math-fan- 给 math-fan 发送悄悄话 (43 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:35:56

嗯, 我得理解低于这个水平的数学娃不是他们的focus。其它的招生名额由stem领域有开创力领导力社区服务力的牛娃占据。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:40:40

本想跟那个数学扇子的贴, 这时间差。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:41:30

MIT 说过,找学生就像组织一个登山的team. 要有不同的skills -mingl98- 给 mingl98 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:41:00

aim to build well-rounded classes -大地长空- 给 大地长空 发送悄悄话 (411 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:46:45

看起来也是要收stem各领域的leader人才, 但是不会只用学习成绩竞赛成绩作为标准。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (53 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:49:51

最后几句话是关键,大脑发展到比较均衡的一种力量,而不只是读死书上。。。 -zaocha2002- 给 zaocha2002 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/31/2022 postreply 01:12:52

从私立高中或者好公立去MIT的大都没有什么竞赛,就是在STEM课上表现好 -fakegreen- 给 fakegreen 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 16:43:54

MIT knows what they are doing -fakegreen- 给 fakegreen 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:01:25

编的吧。只对小亚有特殊要求不可能明说的。明显种族歧视啊。 -成功的熊- 给 成功的熊 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:04:55

MIT 已经40%Asian. -mingl98- 给 mingl98 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:23:00

没有这么多吧 查了下接近20 -cloudriver- 给 cloudriver 发送悄悄话 cloudriver 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 19:24:35

知道的7、8个去MIT的小中男都至少进过一个 O 的camp -kevin2018- 给 kevin2018 发送悄悄话 (23 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:17:55

拼奥赛也算不上歧路,退一步海阔天空,不一定非要进T5 -paterman- 给 paterman 发送悄悄话 (188 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:36:01

不能以升学为目的的学奥数才是关键,要有那种兴奋点才行。 -zaocha2002- 给 zaocha2002 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 23:21:33

所以啊,小中男,游泳,体育,其他工程竞赛,辩论,年纪主席。。。。。。。 -Pilsung- 给 Pilsung 发送悄悄话 (119 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:43:56

应该这么理解,MIT想招到是technical 或是stem领域leader。而不是招一大堆技术顶尖的技工。 -Pilsung- 给 Pilsung 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:56:02

我觉得也是,还要有一定社会同理心的 -zaocha2002- 给 zaocha2002 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 23:28:30

去不了MIT 可以去 Caltech 嘛 -节度使- 给 节度使 发送悄悄话 节度使 的博客首页 (35 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 17:47:40

还可以去 S P -fakegreen- 给 fakegreen 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:19:45

如果是真的,非常好呀。没有IMO,就不用花时间申请这所学校了。节约大家的时间。 -settlemeter- 给 settlemeter 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:12:19

只能这样说,没USAMO就不要以数学特长来申请了。 -iGarage- 给 iGarage 发送悄悄话 iGarage 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:21:03

人家要IMO不是USAMO,不是一个级别的,IMO一年才6个人,而且还有可能重复 -settlemeter- 给 settlemeter 发送悄悄话 (137 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:31:31

一般MIT要得是进MOP(据贝勒爷说的),每年进MOP的大概就是60人.足够一个数学系, -Pilsung- 给 Pilsung 发送悄悄话 (54 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:50:24

寻找各个领域的未来领军人物,不只是纯粹的技术大拿 -solarwind00- 给 solarwind00 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:20:00

MIT要找技术大拿,但需要真正的天分和兴趣,不是考试和竞赛机器,大妈们把国内那套又搬来了 -TexasIns02- 给 TexasIns02 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:45:27

不客气地讲:觉得他在放屁,假如是黑人小孩,有那些奖就秒进,也不要什么MUCH MORE了。。。 -想做好父亲- 给 想做好父亲 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:49:57

还是在STEREOTYPING ASIAN KIDS,看到面面都强的小华男被拒。 -想做好父亲- 给 想做好父亲 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 18:57:15

这可真够前言不搭后语的。先说要creative,忽悠一通,然后就说只要能进奥数队的。 -4657238- 给 4657238 发送悄悄话 (108 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 19:02:41

感觉这样俺娃 -zaocha2002- 给 zaocha2002 发送悄悄话 (68 bytes) () 01/30/2022 postreply 23:24:54

Sounds to me as arrogant and condescending BS. 不是真话。 -无言无语无声- 给 无言无语无声 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/31/2022 postreply 07:40:18

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