I am amused that the Trump administration is actually taking this on. The reason is that if these schools admitted every qualified Asian applicant, his white base would be blaming Asians for not being able to get into these schools.
100% agree with the lawsuit. Being asian is a disadvantage especially if your kids are from a bay area school. My daughter was seriously considering changing her name to be more African American sounding to get past the admissions process. This is a problem with all Ivy league schools - not just Harvard.
Harvard Asian Applicant Strategy: Apply for basketball scholarship as a minority.
This is why America is going down hill. We don't pick the best anymore. Don't need to work or study hard. Affirmative action will take care of you.
BTW, we need more white and asian in NBA and NFL.
Affirmative action at the expense of who?
This is what you get for voting Democrat.
We are what makes SV run. Americans have stopped doing math. And Hispanics and blacks??HA give me a break, we would have to lower the bar so low to let these guys in these companies. Computer Science is not easy.
If they're so smart, why do they work for less money? I mean if they're really that talented, why don't they command a higher wage than those that they're replacing?
Some make very good wages, $160k and above. The majority are grateful to get in to the US. Unlike Hispanics and blacks, who are NOT grateful. They squander any opportunity. But with all the welfare they receive especially in CA, I don't blame them. My manager escaped from Saigon in 1975 on a boat with her three sisters. Was adopted by a family in Utah, and now all three are very successful.
Look at that Vietnamese liquor owner was recently shot in San Jose by a black guy. So lazy these people.
I'm sure some do but the majority that come here to replace Americans do so because they work for less, not because they're more talented. Regarding liquor store owners, I know a couple people who work at the Board of Equalization. Many of those that you call hard working are engaged in sales tax, cigarette and tobacco, and payroll tax fraud. The reason gasoline retailers have to prepay part of their sales tax to wholesale gasoline distributors is because of rampant tax fraud, mainly by East Indians.
No wonder the Ivy graduates whom I have had the pleasure to meet over the years seem not terribly intelligent to me.
Here's another reason why some students are not as smart as their degrees imply:
How an industry helps Chinese students cheat their way into and through U.S. colleges: http://www.reuters.com/inve...
Elite Asian students cheat like mad on US college applications: https://www.pri.org/stories...
What whites say about Asians is exactly what blacks say about whites...whites cheat (they create tests in their favor), whites are not creative and black are street smart...see old Eddie Murphy movies making fun of stupid nerdy whites.
You mean like how white students cheat by looking over the shoulder of the Asian student sitting in front of them.
China, and other Asian countries, aren't very honest
https://www.thesun.co.uk/ar...
Like white people don't cheat? How about Lance Armstrong and other American athletes? Or how all those whites claiming to be veterans and won medals and they turn out to be lying? Hypocrite!
Maybe a DOJ look at the UC system and the number of Asians admitted vs. the number of Asian's who graduate from CA high schools?
2 articles on this topic in the Harvard Crimson
To be fair, there's plenty of discrimination against American workers by companies that hire H-1B visa workers. 60 Minutes had a good segment on it last night.
No, it isn't. It's sanctioned in many ways under the moniker "affirmative action."
As a white locally born engineer I have been racially discriminated against for over 25 years in SV. Go figure.
Public schools should not discriminate, because they get funding from the Federal Government. With that said, unless a private school gets a large amount of federal funding, this should not be a big issue.
Most Ivy schools are major research institutes and thus get federal moneys...so they are under federal non-discrimination laws, or they could lose their funding.
Once again Herhold's abhorrence for anyone of Asian descent comes to the front.
Time to quit old man.
Add this to your racist and sexist attack on Mike Honda's grandchild and you really deserve a seat at the old folks home.
Asian/Asian-Americans spend a lot of time/money on test prep courses and tutors for their kids. Does this really mean they are the best and the brightest students? I think there are plenty of studies that show standardized test scores don't really correlate well with academic success. To fix the problem, the test should be of completely random format each year and test problem solving vs. how many vocabulary words you have memorized. Then you would have a better shot at determining who was really the best and brightest as opposed to who just spent a lot of time doing prepping for the test.
That is BS - they also nail the grades and extracurricular - quite candidly they try harder, and should be rewarded for it.
You are wrong. What elite schools are looking for is natural talent that can be developed into something exceptional. Just trying harder will not make you exceptional. Exceptional rewards are for the exceptional. Those who try hard will still be rewarded just fine. The real problem here is people are trying to game the system. Try to make themselves look exceptional when they are not.
You can't possibly believe that. If that were true they would base everything on an IQ test.
Do you really think some set of standardized tests, grades and extra-curricular activities are the measure of a person? I would tend to look more at their background, what they had to overcome to get where they are, what creative things they have done, whether they have common sense, etc... These are better measures of success in life.
As well as being completely unquantifiable in a college admissions scenario. It doesn't matter what application process you set up - the people that want it the most, and work the hardest, will show up the best.
@johnsmith363 Why do you say it is "unquantifiable in a college admissions scenario?" It is certainly quantifiable, so maybe what needs to change is the "college admissions scenario?" It is definitely not the case that "the people that want it the most, and work the hardest, will show up the best." Unfortunately, it is often the people who have the resources to game the system that "will show up the best." Who do you think is the better candidate for an elite college? A kid who got a 1600 on the SAT after years of prep courses and multiple retakes or a kid who never saw a standardized test before and got a 1500 on the first try? This is a situation where the kid with 1600 looks better on the college application, but the other kid is likely the better candidate.
One person is smart but lazy. Another person is so-so but hard working. Who deserves more rewards? Shall we pay a person more because he/she has high IQ? If you think Asian American students spend too much time on test prep, you should do it, too. Or you can spend more time on sports or social activities. All of these are considered for college admission. Race doesn't encourage hard working. Doesn't change your IQ, either. Because some students study so hard, they will be punished? Do you think this is reasonable? While our education system is rewarding students based on skin color or natural IQ, Chinese and Indians are catching up quickly on science and technology because they have this hard-working culture. If you don't believe this, check science publications.
@whitebird No one is being "punished." People who are going to be successful need to be creative, have common sense, problem solving ability, etc... These things are not measured well by grades and standardized test scores. College admissions are trying to take that into account. They want to avoid students who are being "packaged" by their parents to meet some perceived set of standards they think are needed to get into a particular school. Chinese and Indians don't have a "hard-working culture." There are some who work hard just like in any other ethnic group. Travel to China or India sometime and you will see what I mean.
No they aren't. They are taking big donors' kids, legacies and athletes. Then they use affirmative action to "round out" the class. Then they sit around and tell themselves they are exceptional.
Mr. Herhold says "In the meantime, I have advice for Mr. Jia, now a student at Duke: Get over it. Life will go on very nicely at Duke." Ignorant comes to mind.
The problem with the "X race is well represented" is that individual students don't give two $#!ts if "their race is represented". They aren't there to "represent their race", they're there to get an education. Which they can't do if they are rejected because "there are too many of your kind."
"It makes for a better experience by exposing undergraduates to students of diverse backgrounds."
What's the proof for this claim? So are we to assume students at Fudan University or Tokyo University are deprived?
Actually if you know anything about Ivy schools, they do provide for their students and one of the needs of the modern student in modern society is the ability to interact with anyone as humans, i.e., diversity. That takes human contact and not using media stereotypes. Why is this important...because these kids will be the future leaders and they need the experience. Placing white kids in a white echo chamber doesn't serve them well in the real world.
Is it the same reason why my puppy has to go to doggy school? So he won't bark at the black mailman?
Another example is Indian Institutes of Technology - 100% Indians and they are doing great!
Wow, great advice. You get discriminated against because of your skin color/ethnicity and Mr Herhold says "get over it"...nice . What a je...k
You want equality and not racism? Fine, having any school have a demographic for Asian higher than the national population of 5.6% is racist and discriminatory to any race that doesn't have their equal population ratio.
Shouldn't race just be eliminated from the application altogether? Then it wouldn't be a factor at all. Isn't that the most fair?
If that were truly the case, Harvard would probably be 99% Asian - not that Asians would care. "Diversity" is a term bandied-about to placate Liberal White Guilt. Asians don't seem to have that....
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