在city-data关于一个好学区的讨论中,主流美国人表达的对于亚裔的看法

来源: 啃桩虫 2014-06-27 14:14:48 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (4768 bytes)
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Originally Posted by C8NView Post
I may get crucified for what about to say but this is my opinion.
Many asians when it comes to education is about practice, practice and practice until you nail it down. Its more about discipline. Are asians smarter? No, absolutely not but they are very well disciplined on the average. Because of this discipline, they tend to perform well in school. But due to this robotic nature, the chances are, originality may be somewhat lacking. You will find asian improving on a item but you are not going to find too many asians that has invented the wheel in the modern day.
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Originally Posted by Martha AnneView Post
Being of Irish descent and the daughter of a father who graduated from MIT (undergrad and grad) and a mother who went to Radcliffe (Harvard) for her graduate studies, and siblings and nephews and a niece who went to Cornell, Yale, Princeton and Stanford, I can say that they did NOT have the kind of ruthless aggression that I have seen with many Asian students and their parents. I find it sickening and that they are raising kids who are quite often totally unbalanced and lack good social skills or kindness for others and are focused on financial success and status primarily and not on bettering the human race. Of course, this is a generalization but I am very sorry I feel it is true and due to the cultural differences I see in Asian families who are in the Ivy and MIT track versus those who are not. My family was focused on, yes, doing well in their careers but also have had a far greater concern for the betterment of society as a whole and not simply their own selfish interests. Call this prejudice but I think it is not. I think it is an indictment of the Asians I have seen in many areas of professional work: Not looking towards the betterment of others but only themselves and their families. The arrogance and self centeredness can be unbelievable and very disturbing indeed. Tell me I am wrong and why. I don't think I am: It is what I have sadly observed. (And, worse yet, they often have no idea what I am talking about! Not a clue.)

You both are right on.
I've seen it happening, on my industry (IT) and wifey's too (Auditing). It's a very interesting social phenomenon. I commend Asian people for being so disciplined, focused, and goal oriented. But there needs to be a balance between excelling in school and being a caring, socially adept member of society.

link http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1559704-bayside-queens-why-so-many-good-3.html

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好像对亚裔学生的攻击常常可以看到 “unbalanced and lack good social skills”的说法. 

什么叫balanced? 德智体美劳没有social skills

毛爷爷当年是这样觉得的

惜秦皇汉武,略输文采;
唐宗宋祖,稍逊风骚。
一代天骄,成吉思汗,只识弯弓射大雕。

他老人家自认风流,但也不是balanced, 据说数理化一塌糊涂

 

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听起来象两颗酸葡萄。特别第二个,说了半天家人多牛,没提自己是个什么豆子。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:22:34

1. 亚裔多是第一代移民,还在财富积累阶段,吃相难看可以理解,还在survival mode. -燕京十景- 给 燕京十景 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:29:52

继续说。这些所谓白人的better the human race 包括: -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (286 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:36:17

再投钱作PR打造形象,太完美了。 -545f- 给 545f 发送悄悄话 545f 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:43:10

就是啊。最可恨一些亚裔,自己不知道自己是谁也就罢了,白人说什么, -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (181 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:48:52

这两年有好几个印度华尔街的被抓吧?;-)) -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:43:24

那你怎么没有看到Bill Gates&Buffett这些捐出几乎所有财产做慈善的事情呢。 -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:26:51

Totally agreed. 顶你一下! -bighead88- 给 bighead88 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 21:18:17

回复:继续说。这些所谓白人的better the human race 包括: -近仁1995- 给 近仁1995 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/28/2014 postreply 22:38:01

还真是,最近带一家老小参加了一个camp,除了我们都是白人家庭 -芹菜妈- 给 芹菜妈 发送悄悄话 芹菜妈 的博客首页 (174 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:37:19

也看的。我去过友好的野营,也见过太多冷漠无名优越的红脖子。什么他们素质更好? -不聊天- 给 不聊天 发送悄悄话 (34 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:25:54

我也对他们很有看法呀,但是我就是不说呵呵。走着瞧 -闲看庭前- 给 闲看庭前 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:37:24

再继续: -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (348 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:45:15

回复:再继续: -几句闲话- 给 几句闲话 发送悄悄话 (10 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 21:14:26

哈哈,评价挺高的 -明天没法预测- 给 明天没法预测 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 14:57:15

回复:在city-data关于一个好学区的讨论中,主流美国人表达的对于亚裔的看法 -zephyr2012- 给 zephyr2012 发送悄悄话 zephyr2012 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:01:18

回复:有则改之,无则加勉 -zephyr2012- 给 zephyr2012 发送悄悄话 zephyr2012 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:04:42

其实吧,主要是Asian在美国根基还不够牢固,现在大多Asian都是1st or 2nd -十月韬光养晦- 给 十月韬光养晦 发送悄悄话 十月韬光养晦 的博客首页 (176 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:20:59

同意。但说句要挨砸的,很多中国父母对孩子的举止确实不教育,比如觉得孩子上课 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (303 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:51:35

同意,这个要加强。不过这个问题,到初中之前就被老师给修好了。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:53:55

是,大孩子都蛮懂事的。不过,被外人修理,还是比较郁闷吧。自己父母教育好了对 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (21 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 16:08:29

当然,孩子少挨不少白眼,咱也脸上好看,不会被当成捣蛋的妈。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 17:51:59

大赞,聪明的孩子知道什么时候说话,睿智的孩子知道什么时候闭嘴 -十月韬光养晦- 给 十月韬光养晦 发送悄悄话 十月韬光养晦 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 18:17:07

巴尔扎克小说里贵族也是这么说布尔乔亚的。 -prouddd- 给 prouddd 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 15:51:10

这正好说出了为什么在竞争中他们是loser。 -wxc1978- 给 wxc1978 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 16:06:03

想看看对 -紫玉兰紫丁香- 给 紫玉兰紫丁香 发送悄悄话 紫玉兰紫丁香 的博客首页 (126 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 16:08:09

其实他们说的没错。老毛也是因为缺点什么所以没把中国搞好。 -mapell22- 给 mapell22 发送悄悄话 mapell22 的博客首页 (112 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 16:48:39

"Discipline" is a bad thing? You cannot get anything done withou -LAChinese- 给 LAChinese 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 17:26:04

I lack discipline. That's my biggest problem. -LAChinese- 给 LAChinese 发送悄悄话 (249 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 17:31:38

白人的虚伪暴露的一览无遗,还很会占领道德制高点。 -hiccupbaby- 给 hiccupbaby 发送悄悄话 (62 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 17:52:51

一边说人道,一边炸人家的国土。自己公投分裂别人,人家公投不民主。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 18:04:04

这就像北京土人评论北漂 一样 -faday- 给 faday 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 17:58:51

北京人确实太多了,80年代初期我对北京印象奇好,90年代开始我对北京印象奇坏 -十月韬光养晦- 给 十月韬光养晦 发送悄悄话 十月韬光养晦 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 18:19:53

Very interesting discussion! 看了所有的讨论,肯定和否定的都有,觉得不必为了 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (125 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 18:26:02

看看这坛子平时的讨论就知道人家说的是事实。尤其是2.我也是这么认为的。 -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (116 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:23:56

是这样的。我们这儿中国人住过的房子很多都得低于市价才卖得掉 -Alexismom- 给 Alexismom 发送悄悄话 Alexismom 的博客首页 (72 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 21:13:05

看看“主流”美国人对于亚裔排挤得够可以,都写在墙上啦 -杭老爷- 给 杭老爷 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:32:46

Hehe, Irish descents don't have ruthless aggression towards anyt -forestforever- 给 forestforever 发送悄悄话 forestforever 的博客首页 (525 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:41:02

回复:Hehe, Irish descents don't have ruthless aggression towards a -forestforever- 给 forestforever 发送悄悄话 forestforever 的博客首页 (55 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 19:43:03

我觉得你应该把这段写到那个评论网站。很多人不知道这些的。 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 23:45:34

第二个说的挺对的 -AlexisMom- 给 AlexisMom 发送悄悄话 AlexisMom 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 20:28:54

他们除了语言和文化的优越感外,所剩不多了,得意的时间也不会太久了。只要亚裔们不要像楼主那样自卑自弃,打左脸把右脸奉上的奴才相。 -吃素的狼- 给 吃素的狼 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/27/2014 postreply 22:41:41

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