[Oppenheimer] beyond 演譯心中的江湖爭鋒

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演譯心中的江湖爭鋒: "這是那些罕見的電影之一。 當你走開時,你的頭簡直天旋地轉。 看完之後我真的很頭疼(不過不要因此而放棄)。 它有如此多的分量、如此多的懸念和如此多精彩的表演。 這是一部如此重要的電影。 這是關於責任、道德、才華、天才、創新、不忠、婚姻、打開一扇你無法關閉的門,以及關於有一天成為英雄,明天成為惡棍。 可以說他兩者都是,這是完全公平的。 你不能在這裡做絕對的事情。 有很多灰色。 傑作"

演译心中的江湖争锋: 1)利己主義的政治家開始聲稱他們的權力利用了影響力的AB連鎖反應; 2)科學家承擔著普通人的利益:原子能的利用。 3)政客們相互碰撞,使科學家的不同觀點陷入困境,很可能成為一種工具,被利用和拋棄。 4)如何平衡科學與政治的開放性與封閉性(國家安全與人類全球利益)?[1) Politicians of egoistics came to claim their power leveraged the AB  chain reactions of influences; 2) Scientists beard the benefits of ordinary people: atomic energy uses. 3) Politicians collided and ground scientists in their different perspectives, more likely than not, a tool, being used and dumped. 4) How to balance the openness and closed-ness of science and politics (national security vs. worldwide benefits of humankind)?]

I did not know much about him until now reading, joggle down some naggets of interest:

"Growing up, Nolan was particularly influenced by the work of Ridley Scott and the science fiction films 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) and Star Wars (1977).[4][5] He would repeatedly watch the latter film and extensively research its making.[6] Nolan began making films at the age of seven, borrowing his father's Super 8 camera and shooting short films with his action figures.[7] These films included a stop motion animation homage to Star Wars called Space Wars. He cast his brother Jonathan and built sets from "clay, flour, egg boxes and toilet rolls".[4] His uncle, who had worked at NASA building guidance systems for the Apollo rockets, sent him some launch footage: "I re-filmed them off the screen and cut them in, thinking no-one would notice", Nolan later remarked.[8] From the age of 11, he aspired to be a professional filmmaker.[9] Between 1981 and 1983, Nolan enrolled at Barrow Hills, a Catholic prep school in Weybridge, Surrey.[10] In his teenage years, Nolan started making films with Adrien and Roko Belic. Nolan and Roko co-directed the surreal 8 mm Tarantella (1989), which was shown on Image Union, an independent film and video showcase on the Public Broadcasting Service.[a][12][13]

Nolan was educated at Haileybury and Imperial Service College, an independent school in Hertford HeathHertfordshire, and later studied English literature at University College London (UCL). Opting out of a traditional film education, he pursued "a degree in something unrelated", which his father suggested "gives a different take on things".[14] He chose UCL specifically for its filmmaking facilities, which comprised a Steenbeck editing suite and 16 mm film cameras.[15] Nolan was president of the Union's Film Society,[15] and with Emma Thomas (his girlfriend and future wife) he screened feature films in 35mm during the school year and used the money earned to produce 16 mm films over the summers.[16]

 

 

Filmmaking style

Nolan's films are majorly centred in metaphysical themes, exploring the concepts of timememory and personal identity.[174][175] His work is characterised by mathematically-inspired ideas and images, unconventional narrative structuresmaterialistic perspectives, and evocative use of music and sound.[d] 

Christopher Edward Nolan CBE (born 30 July 1970) is a British and American filmmaker. Known for his Hollywood blockbusters with complex storytelling, Nolan is considered a leading filmmaker of the 21st century. His films have grossed $5 billion worldwide."

 

Personal life and public image

Christopher Nolan, on the right, is looking directly towards the camera as Emma Thomas is looking to her right.
Nolan and his wife Emma Thomas in January 2011

Nolan is married to Emma Thomas, whom he met at University College London when he was 19.[9][16] She has worked as a producer on all of his films since 1997.[43][170] The couple have four children and reside in Los Angeles.[171]

Rarely granting promotional interviews about his films, Nolan prefers to maintain a certain level of mystery about his work.[172] Refusing to discuss his personal life,[173] he feels that too much biographical information about a filmmaker detracts from the experience of his audiences. "I actually don't want people to have me in mind at all when they're watching the films."[172]

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The ‘Oppenheimer’ Cast on Filming the Trinity Test, Immersing Themselves in Their Characters, & More

Smart angle of matt damon, despite being on the film itself, looked more excited than us, he was so happy and enthusiastic to explain the movie/experience from a spectator (a viewer). 7:24 - 10:34 Matt Damons response was so articulate and insightful he kept my interest for 3 minutes straight

my conviction was I did not recognize Robert Downey Jr. in the movie as he has been a hero figure in my mind, being a vallain here.

Emily Blunt acted as "Kitty" - at 29 YO, got 4 husbands! 23:15 It's really not cliche to say: behind every strong man is a stronger woman. This movie, the Oppenheimer husband and wife dynamic, defines that figure of speech perfectly.

I fully agreed on "@therunner8733. 1 month ago (edited). It’s one of those rare films. You walk away and your head is absolutely spinning. I genuinely had a headache after watching it (don’t let that put you off though). It just had so much weight, so much suspense, and so many fantastic performances. It’s such an important film. It’s about accountability, ethics, brilliance, genius, innovation, infidelity, marriage, opening a door you can’t close, and about being the hero one day, and the villain the next. Completely fair to argue that he was both. You can’t deal in absolutes here. There’s a lot of grey. Masterpiece"

"@DivijSonak1 month ago (edited)
A real class act by the interviewer Jacqueline Coley. She knew the relevant details about the movie as well as Oppenheimer's life and posed topical, meaningful, and intelligent questions that kept everyone interested, all while switching effortlessly from one person to another. Overall, she struck a fine balance giving everyone their moment in the sun, without letting anyone overpower or dominate the conversation. Those are some of the smartest people in the room and to hold their own against them in something they've worked on is phenomenal. Quality stuff!"

The narratives of the video clip above:

0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss. 3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film. 8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story. 12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format. 16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas. 19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance. 23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction. 27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations. Recap by Tammy AI

*** My thoughts came upon the movie:

thinking is hard, so most people just follow.  

‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’

This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.

One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然,其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]

One thought came to me at night is below said well: "我們都活在歐本海默的世界裡,一個由核彈來維持著恐怖平衡的世界裡…"

@ciraluvs
感謝JON用非常白話的方式和時間線來整理解釋劇情,不然以諾蘭很喜歡用不同時空背景或不同視角交錯的敘事方式我每次都看得很吃力(敦克爾克也是) 我在另一位影評那邊看到他說,最後聽證會上不支持奧本海默的泰勒或許就是因為奧本海默的言行一直看起來都是矛盾的,包括看起來是民主愛國的美國人卻認同共產理念、婚姻中的背叛、原子彈試爆成功發表感言卻又對原子彈帶來的傷害感到愧疚、參與氫彈設計和研究卻又公開反對製造氫彈...這些矛盾的行為造成泰勒的不信任,我覺得這也是滿合理的解釋方式。無論如何很喜歡你的解析,還有最後的科普也很棒,用非常好懂得比喻讓人很好理解和消化,第一次看這個頻道已訂閱起來,希望之後還有更多理科小教室或是討論的影片,感謝

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vUpVl0 

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Resources: the top 10 quotes and why?

The driver, the central theme:

#1--"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
J. Robert Oppenheimer

[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]

Taken from the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita, this infamous quote has been closely connected to the real-life Oppenheimer. Originally, he stated these words 20 years after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings on an NBC News documentary entitled The Decision to Drop the Bomb.

In the film, it is spoken twice: once in a sex scene with Jean Tatlock and later in the breathless wake of the Trinity test. The quote bookends Oppenheimer’s journey, showing the transition from his idyllic intellectual desires to his confrontation with the lived truth behind the words.

[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyfyotBPio Oppenheimer And Jean Tatlock Relationship Explained By Christopher Nolan: the importance of the sex scene in Oppenheimer, the first one ever to be featured in one of his films.

 

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There's a moment in Oppenheimer where they write out the expected yield of the bombers being thousands to millions of tons and Oppenheimer literally says I'm not saying that... How about kilotons. I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!! You're a dilettante, a womanizer, unstable, theatrical, neurotic. Omg he's literally me. I did not think the sex scene was weird even though apparently everyone else does and I'm now questioning various things.

The actual atomic bomb scene was some other worldly horror that literally froze the entire audience The guy who invented the concept of an ICBM is portrayed as like a real psycho and creep, which I don't know if it's true, but it's kind of hilarious. He talks about watching v2's land on the city he was hiding out in and describes how he'd dreamed of putting an atomic bomb on top of one of those missiles.

Also, when you add in the neurosis the womanizing, the sort of underlying uncertainty over whether he's a horrendous criminal with a guilt complex or a good and noble man and the cool Cillian Murphy behavior. I think we've just got another literally me that people will be making YouTube edits of for years. That's gonna be weird.

#2--"Why won't you fight?"
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer

[Emily Blunt and Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]
Image via Universal Studios

Emily Blunt’s Kitty Oppenheimer is the underlying heartbeat of the film. A woman struggling to stand idly by as history consumes her, she repeats this line to her husband throughout, challenging him to write his own record of history.

The answer to the posed question holds clarity to Oppenheimer’s character, especially his moral attitudes following the Trinity test. He is a shell of a man, as seen in the horrifying gymnasium speech, and finding the courage to object to history as it’s being written is at the very core of this quote.

#3--"I believe we did."
J. Robert Oppenheimer

[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer.]
Image via Universal Pictures

The shattering final words of Christopher Nolan’s screenplay find Oppenheimer admitting to Albert Einstein (Tom Conti) that he views his actions as changing the world for the worse. His act of discovery led humanity down a dark path with no escape.

Reserved yet wholly impactful, the entire film approaches this moment when Oppenheimer finally admits the danger in his creation. As he looks at the ripples in the rain, he begins to understand the reality ahead of him, both in his lifetime and in history’s memory. A stunning quote that captures Oppenheimer’s central tenets with power, poise, and prestige.

#5--"Hiroshima isn't about you."
President Harry S. Truman

[Cillian Murphy as J. Robert Oppenheimer in 'Oppenheimer' ]
Image via Universal Pictures

One of the more devastating lines from the film, after the bombings in Japan, has branded Oppenheimer “The Father of the Atomic Bomb,” he goes to visit President Truman (Gary Oldman). When he tells the 33rd President he has “blood on his hands,” Truman stiffly responds with this callous quote.

What’s so ugly about this exchange, ending with another distressing line when Truman interjects “Don’t let the crybaby back in here,” is that nobody, not even the President, truly understood the weight of what Oppenheimer had to endure – and, more importantly, the weight of what they have all done.

#7--"Is anyone ever going to tell the truth?"
J. Robert Oppenheimer

[Jason Clarke in Oppenheimer]
Image via Universal Pictures

As William Borden reads his inaccurate and inflammatory attack letter at the behest of the Gray Board and Roger Robb (Jason Clarke), Oppenheimer quietly utters this line to his attorney.

RELATED:The Best Cillian Murphy Movies, Ranked According To Rotten Tomatoes

The startling realization that dawns on Oppenheimer during his private trial that ultimately took away his security clearance is their ambivalence to the truth. It’s an example of when he recognizes his own naïveté and is shaken by the perils of the new world he finds himself in.

#8. "Power stays in the shadows."
Lewis Strauss

Lewis Strauss instantly became an iconic villain standing beside Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest and Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown. Robert Downey Jr.'s assured performance crafted a believable opportunist, horrific for how common his breed of politician is to this day.

This quote may as well be Strauss’ thesis, which is fitting given the black-and-white visual identity his scenes have. It’s a cold line that represents his objective and ultimately explains his downfall when he tries to emerge from the shadows unscathed after his manipulative actions against Oppenheimer.

 https://collider.com/oppenheimer-best-quotes-ranked/#quot-we-39-re-not-convicting-ndash-just-denying-quot? 

9"We're not convicting – just denying."

Lewis StraussSpoken by Lewis Strauss (Robert Downey Jr.) during his duplicitous meeting with William Borden (David Dastmalcian) when planning their attack letter on Oppenheimer, this quote embodies Strauss’ personal justification for tearing down Oppenheimer’s social stature and solidifies him as an unforgettable villain from the movie.

It’s a line that epitomizes Strauss’ professional pursuits. Later, he states the line again when he realizes his chance at becoming Commerce Secretary is unlikely after Dr. David Hill’s (Rami Malek) congressional appearance. Much like how “I am become Death” is the bookend for Oppenheimer’s growth, this line is the same for Strauss.

#4--"You don't get to commit sin, and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences."
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer

[oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-emily-blunt]
Image via Universal Pictures

After the news of Jean Tatlock’s (Florence Pugh) suspected suicide riddles Oppenheimer with pain and heartbreak, Kitty (Emily Blunt) shakes him out of his stupor with this quote. She lets go of her restraint and for a brief moment shares her authentic self, a rare chance for her.

RELATED:The Most Emotional Movie Quotes, According To Reddit

Nolan was unafraid to depict the horrors of this story with the ambiguity it clearly deserves. In his moment of suffering, Nolan doesn’t let Oppenheimer off easy. Kitty maintains a dignity because of this line that most filmmakers would pass up for a more traditional husband-wife dynamic.

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1,742,824 views Jul 18, 2023
Oppenheimer Cillian Murphy interview Ahead of the release of one of the biggest movies of the summer, Oppenheimer, Simon Harkness from IGV Presents sat down with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh! Cillian Murphy told us that Oppenheimer was the most challenging role of his career, and how Christopher Nolan helped guide him through the movie. Florence Pugh told us who her biggest mentor in her career has been and how she chooses her roles. And Cillian and Florence both cringe as they share their favourite thing about each other Plus we find out that Cillian and Florence would love to meet John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix! Make sure you check out our previous interview with Florence Pugh below:     • Florence Pugh LOSES HER MIND In Our H...   Thanks for watching our Oppenheimer interview with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh, and don't forget to subscribe to IGV Presents!

Oppenheimer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmR7BwVxsXQ 

 

** 想像力比知識更重要 只有想不到 沒有做不到 秉持正向思維 到處都是機會

"所謂的垃圾,就是放錯了的資源。" 5個猶太人故事告訴你,懂逆向思維的人,到底有多可怕!#逆向思維 #思考 #成长思维 #思維引力

"3個猶太人聚在一起,就能改變世界。" 一直以來,猶太人就有"世界第一商人"之稱。 據統計,世界上最有錢的企業家中,猶太人占到一半;而美國眾多富豪家族中,猶太裔占了40%。

很多人都好奇,是什麼讓猶太人取得這樣令人驚嘆的成就? 在猶太人的處世聖經《塔木德》裡記載道,每個猶太孩子,在成長的過程中,都會被問到一個問題: "假如有一天,你的房子被燒毀,你將帶著什麼東西逃跑呢?" 如果孩子要帶走的是一些貴重物品,母親就會告訴他們: "孩子,你要帶走的不是錢,也不是鑽石,而是你的知識,你的思維方式。"

這5個小故事,藏著猶太人最頂級的思維模式,讀懂受用一生。 ........ 【如果你看完這部影片有所領悟,請點讚支持,訂閱我的頻道?。 你也可以分享出去,讓更多的人受益!??】

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huK55a4H9dc 

0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss. 3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film. 8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story. 12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format. 16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas. 19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance. 23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction. 27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations. Recap by Tammy AI
 
 

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这部电影的影响力至少在影坛可见一斑 -大兔子张三- 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 15:58:32

大兔子,再给你贴一个奥本海默的采访 -小小得意楼- 给 小小得意楼 发送悄悄话 小小得意楼 的博客首页 (730 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:14:46

谢谢你。我以前在影坛写过:科学的尽头是哲学,哲学的尽头是神学,有点是这个意思。我是完全相信人类自掘坟墓的毫无疑问 -大兔子张三- 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:21:15

人类的存在有偶然性,偶然的来,偶然的去 -小小得意楼- 给 小小得意楼 发送悄悄话 小小得意楼 的博客首页 (224 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:28:51

活在当下,哈哈哈 -大兔子张三- 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:35:27

only partially, "罢了,过一天是一天,将来是没办法预测的 -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (190 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 23:41:01

演员都不错,故事也有深度,就是不太习惯不同情节不同场景来回穿梭,导演故弄玄虚炫技了,其实对于历史题材平铺直叙没什么不好。 -damihu- 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 16:19:10

Filmmaking style exploring the concepts of time, memory -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (4044 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 16:47:51

他可以这么拍,也可以有观众不喜欢他这种风格。 -damihu- 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 16:54:24

good interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vU -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (33947 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:42:14

有人认为是炫技,而我觉得正是这种彩色黑白双拼和多线叙事,才增加了电影的观赏性。虽然主要靠对白推动剧情,但节奏把控到位 -ilapple- 给 ilapple 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 21:26:07

多线叙事没有问题,问题在于他晃来晃去太过频繁,把完整的故事碎片化了,生硬地把几条故事主线搞成跌宕起伏,实属没必要。 -damihu- 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 22:32:28

good point: Schindler's List is better -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (8605 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 23:34:26

艺术的表现形式可以是多元的,对电影的欣赏也是很个人的。大家都是agree not to agree, -ilapple- 给 ilapple 发送悄悄话 (493 bytes) () 09/04/2023 postreply 10:49:30

视觉和音效的冲击各有各的受众Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (7088 bytes) () 09/04/2023 postreply 11:57:03

Oppenheimer (film) is Message picture or message movie... -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (80734 bytes) () 09/04/2023 postreply 12:45:16

刚看了电影, -小诌07- 给 小诌07 发送悄悄话 小诌07 的博客首页 (173 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 16:57:20

我也是,3个小时如坐针毡,可我还是觉得这是一部好电影,以我微弱的声音向那个时代的伟大人物致敬 -大兔子张三- 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 17:07:23

Nolan said differently 向那个时代的伟大人物致敬 -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (180 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 23:38:57

哦哦,你能把诺兰说的和我说的相提并论我受宠若惊。可能证明你本人并不是一个趋炎附势之人,只就事论事。 -大兔子张三- 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/04/2023 postreply 17:58:28

mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam, -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (6306 bytes) () 09/04/2023 postreply 22:07:44

both 'beautiful mind'和'imitatation game' came from a small s -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (105 bytes) () 09/03/2023 postreply 20:37:28

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