《“多重事实”的迷思》(One event / incident, multiple facts?)

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【“多重事实”的迷思】(One event / incident, multiple facts?)

很多年前,在我做第二期博士后的时候,碰到了一个有些“特别”的老板。他算是学界大佬,是我们这个方向知名学术刊物的主编,手上经费很充足。他让我带两个人,负责他的一个项目。几百万美元的基金已经拿到手,但需要出数据、发文章。

In the past, when I was on my second postdoc stint, my advisor was quite "special". He was a big shot in academia, the editor-in-chief of a well-known academic journal in our field, and had ample funding. He asked me to lead a team of a couple of assistants, responsible for one of his projects. We had already secured grants of several million dollars, but we needed to produce data and publish articles.

我在他的实验室每周至少干70个小时,然而一年以后进展甚微。大约在2007年冬天的一个傍晚,在他的巨型办公室,我俩有一段不长的交谈。我们分坐在对角线的位置,相隔10米不止。黄昏天色黑下来,他不开灯,暗得脸都看不清。那气氛真是几分肃杀。我告诉他,他想要的data不可能得到。我详细地向他论证、说明,告诉他谁也做不到。

I worked at least 70 hours per week in his lab, but couldn’t achieve much after a whole year.  On a winter evening around 2007, in his massive office, we had a brief conversation. We sat diagonally across from each other, more than 10 meters apart. The dusk settled in, and he didn't turn on the lights, making the room so dim that faces couldn't be clearly seen. The atmosphere was somewhat oppressive. I told him that the data he wanted was impossible to obtain. I elaborated and explained in detail, telling him that it was an unattainable task for anyone.

然而他却说,你那么聪明的人是应该能得到的。我争辩说,他提出模型有问题,不可能得到预期的东西 — That’s the fact.

However, he insisted, saying that someone as intelligent as me should be able to get it. I argued that the model he proposed was flawed, and it was impossible to achieve the expected results—that's the fact.

屋子的那一端传来他的笑声。no, no, no,他说,假如马路上出了一个交通事故,你站在马路的一边,我站在马路的另一边 – Then, we are seeing two different facts.

Laughter emanated from his end of the room. "No, no, no," he said, "Imagine there's a traffic accident on the road. You're standing on one side, and I'm on the other – then, we are seeing two different facts."

我目瞪口呆……几个月以后,我离开了他的实验室去了公司。

I was shocked… A few months later, I left his lab and joined the industry.

那一年半,从某种意义上讲是不堪回首的。但他那句振聋发聩的话,却在后来的日子里对我颇有帮助 — 在看人和想事、做事诸方面都有难以言状的启发。而且,近距离观察大佬和他的左膀右臂们组成的shady圈子,也是难得的人生经历。

That year and a half, in some ways, was not something I would want to revisit. But his stunning words actually have been helpful to me in the days that followed—making me in understanding people, thinking about things, and approaching tasks from a different angle that are hard to put into words. Additionally, witnessing the shady circler of the big shot and his right-hand people up close was a rare life experience.

由于这样一个经历,我后来也经常思考one event/incident,multiple facts 是否合理的问题。我了解到,在英语里,fact与reality是有些不同的(我暂把truth,belief等放在一边)。Reality是一个总体,一个比较抽象的概念。记得有一次在一个博览会上,我跟一个公司的业务员说你们公司的口号“Help scientists to do science“ 挺好,他马上说这不是slogan,这是reality。我想他是要强调的是这是公司的总体定位,不需要具体的例子。而fact是构成reality的具体方面,它经常是可观察、可测量的,也是可以根据某些标准作结论的。比如从科学实验的结果看,尼古丁具有很强的成瘾性,这是fact;但从社会现实和社会规则来看,吸烟并不等同于吸毒,这又是另一个fact。

Due to this experience, I often pondered the question of whether "one event / incident, multiple facts" is reasonable. I learned that in English, "fact" and "reality" are somewhat different (I put aside other concepts, such as "truth" and "belief"). Reality is a general concept, a more abstract idea. I remember once at an expo, I told a company's salesperson that their slogan "Help scientists to do science" was good, and he immediately said it's not a slogan; it's reality. I think he wanted to emphasize that it's the overall positioning of the company, not needing specific examples. A fact is a specific aspect that makes up reality; it is often observable, measurable, and can be concluded based on certain standards. For example, from the results of a scientific experiment, nicotine is highly addictive—that's a fact. But from the perspective of societal norms and rules, smoking is not equivalent to drug use—that's another fact.

但我依然有无解的困惑:用我前老板的例子,马路的两侧假如看到的(或者录像中显示的)是相互矛盾的facts,那么法律上怎么判定呢?或者,这种矛盾其实根本不应该存在?

Yet, I still have unsolved puzzles: in the example of my former boss, if the facts seen (or shown in videos) on both sides of the road are contradictory, how does the law make a judgment? Or, such a contradiction actually shouldn’t exist?

【英文根据ChatGPT版编辑、修改】




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跟老板的看法,常异! -lovecat08- 给 lovecat08 发送悄悄话 lovecat08 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 12:31:35

那个老板shady。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:12:50

赞思考。法律和人情,很多时候就有矛盾,要看法官选择站在哪边。mutiple facts 是常态,比如你昨天发的tony。 -邵丰慧- 给 邵丰慧 发送悄悄话 邵丰慧 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 17:10:43

你居然以Tony为例,机智。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:13:46

事实是不取决于个人观点的吧。区别在于不同的人看到事实的不同方面。 -东风再起- 给 东风再起 发送悄悄话 东风再起 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 17:51:03

如果较为主观的话,我感觉更像是truth。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:14:51

感觉就是两个方面的差别,一个输入差别,比如真的看见不一样;一个是解码差别,每个人对原始资料的解码系统不同,科学系统的范式 -freemanli01- 给 freemanli01 发送悄悄话 freemanli01 的博客首页 (187 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:12:01

有道理。。。但那个老板是不同意思。他一旦说“你那么聪明怎么能得不到X?”,他的意思就是他要X,必须拿来,手段不问。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:18:01

明白,唐宋韵身历其境感觉更直接。可怕不是犯错,而是明知故犯,最后都不相信自己了,然后就谁也不相信了。然后就杯弓蛇影了。 -freemanli01- 给 freemanli01 发送悄悄话 freemanli01 的博客首页 (51 bytes) () 11/30/2023 postreply 04:45:59

如果在他的实验室呆更长一些,是否人生会不一样?:)当年做的postdoc比你的多得多,有些苦逼:) -西东人8- 给 西东人8 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 19:31:39

我的第一期博士后已经好几年了。这个老板的实验室不一样,人分4等,黑社会。赶快跑。 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 11/29/2023 postreply 23:29:48

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