bill ackman前两天的帖子,至少代表了部分花街的观点

本帖于 2025-04-29 18:00:43 时间, 由普通用户 bupu 编辑
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Some have suggested that because China takes a very long-term view, China can ‘win’ a trade war with the U.S. which, according to the conventional view, is a much shorter-term player than China.
 
 
The problem with this assessment is that the longer the tariffs persist, the more rapidly every company that has a supply chain based in China relocates it to India, Vietnam, Mexico, the U.S. or some other country.
 
China has to understand this dynamic, which is why it should be highly incentivized to make a trade deal as quickly as possible. Unless it is clear that a company can continue to source from China on economically viable terms, it must leave the country.
 
The longer high tariffs persist, the greater the likelihood that no company can be confident it can rely on China for sourcing or production over the long term. This is true for US and non-US companies. As a long-term player, China must understand this dynamic.
 
 
The China tariffs are very damaging in the short term to companies that rely on China for a large percentage of their goods or for parts to make their products. This is particularly true for small companies who don’t have the wherewithal to weather the storm. If the tariffs were to persist, our government could provide loans to help companies manage their transitions out of China, but I don’t think this will be necessary.
 
The tariffs are similarly damaging for medium-size and large businesses, but their greater financial resources allow them to better manage the tariff burden until they can relocate production outside of China.
 
In light of the above, both China and the U.S. are highly incentivized to take the tariffs down to more reasonable levels — say 10% to 20% — as quickly as possible. The only thing stopping the reduction in tariffs to a more sensible level is the fear on the part of both countries’ leadership of looking weak.
 
 
A pause, however, would not be a sign of weakness because it requires both countries to take down their tariffs. It is just common sense.
 
Both countries know that the 145% tariffs have to come down now. They are just trying to manage the diplomacy in such a manner to make clear that it is a mutual decision as opposed to one country ‘going first’.
 
So let’s imagine the U.S. and China agree to a 180-day pause to allow for negotiations to take place.
 
 
Once the pause is announced, China would be highly incentivized to make a deal as quickly as possible, whereas we have time on our side. This is true because the longer the tariffs persist, the greater the reputational damage to China as a reliable country in which to do business, and therefore the higher the probability that US and non-US companies will leave.
 
 
A lower level of tariffs in the short term will enable companies to better manage the transition out of China. It is a near certainty they will leave unless and until a new and highly favorable deal is made with China. Even then, no company will be confident it can rely on China for a major portion of its supply chain. That cake is already baked.
 
 
There is no board of directors or management team who will ever again feel comfortable relying on China for a major portion of their supply chain. The damage has been done.
 
 
The only hope for China as a place to do business is for China to immediately come to the table and make a deal which provides permanent commitments addressing IP theft, forced technology transfer, market access restrictions, tariffs, and other barriers to doing business in China.
 
If instead China stubbornly decides to hold out and not negotiate due to pride or other emotional issues, China will suffer that much more severe and permanent economic consequences. In China holds out, I expect we will launch a loan program to enable US companies to better manage the exit from China.
 
 
Time is the friend of the US and the enemy of China’s in this negotiation.
 
 
A pause and negotiations should therefore begin soon. Tell me why I am wrong.
 

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个人意见,不争论:什么乱七八糟的。 -TalkToMi- 给 TalkToMi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:00:43

lol,主要是楼下退堂鼓提到持久战,我就想起来前两天看到这哥们的帖子,应该是部分花街大佬认为持久战美国占优势 -bupu- 给 bupu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:02:42

还是个人意见,不争论:美国精英对中国人的了解让人目瞪口呆。 -TalkToMi- 给 TalkToMi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:08:02

他是花街里和川普关系不错的, 也是在帮着带节奏, 催中国谈判, 他自己心里想的不一定和他说的一样 -testmobile- 给 testmobile 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:17:04

通俗说,就是忽悠。 -TalkToMi- 给 TalkToMi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:25:24

LOL,我有相同的评论,乱七八糟,完全基于作者自己的想象。美国人不懂中国人,而且总是自以为是。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:15:48

他还是认为中国在对美贸易中赚了很多钱 -maniac63- 给 maniac63 发送悄悄话 (603 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:05:33

亏损还开着是学雷锋?打工赚不到几个钱为什么还要做?事实显然不是这样 -晚春123- 给 晚春123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:09:57

1)解決就業 2)有美金可以購買海外資產 3)有機會打造自己的產業。現在基本目的都達到了,如果搞得好的話,脫不見得會吃虧 -souledgeii- 给 souledgeii 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:49:24

你炒股的不知道为什么公司亏损还开?openai为啥没倒闭? -maniac63- 给 maniac63 发送悄悄话 (128 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:36:05

我和你说youtube被谷歌收购以后亏损了好多年才赚钱你是不是不相信? -maniac63- 给 maniac63 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:36:49

时间对美国有利就应该坚持打下去 ,把中国打垮。而不是搞什么绥靖,习的智囊不是傻子 -littleshadan- 给 littleshadan 发送悄悄话 littleshadan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:07:49

时间有利,那应该极限施压,切断电话线! -TalkToMi- 给 TalkToMi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:09:12

电话线不必切断,但态度必须坚决。现在给人的感觉,仗刚刚开打,天天喊话要各退一步 -littleshadan- 给 littleshadan 发送悄悄话 littleshadan 的博客首页 (215 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:16:32

大批失业和皇帝的面子哪个大,当然是面子大 -晚春123- 给 晚春123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:13:30

我不認爲失業是大問題,脫鈎是早晚的事兒,廠商沒有遠慮必有近憂,升級產業才是大計。 -souledgeii- 给 souledgeii 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:51:09

顺便提一句,上次90天暂缓的消息前两天,这哥们就在x上发推说应该有个90天暂缓;这个帖子里面又提到中美180天暂缓。。。 -bupu- 给 bupu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:10:05

Trump提议缓刑180天,他脸面何在?market得先跌死给他看,他才有借口转向。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:18:13

股市暴跌他不顾颜面转向,又给人抓一次他的软肋。早知今日何必当初,不如10%起步,一点点往上加。 -太阳从西边出来- 给 太阳从西边出来 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:22:23

那到不会,他面子跟包子有一拼,怎么都是赢,不存在丢面子一说 -rossyyy- 给 rossyyy 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 20:55:00

阿克曼算小圈子内的,他4/7半夜抓狂的时机正好是这次的底 -dividend_growth- 给 dividend_growth 发送悄悄话 dividend_growth 的博客首页 (102 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:59:22

bill ackman疫情时上cnbc哭鼻子,让人觉得这是个傻比。接下来几天他赚了很多,这里的人一辈子都赚不到那么多钱。 -sadboys- 给 sadboys 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:36:53

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