每次我考虑要不要投资时,没人可以商量,

本帖于 2026-01-24 20:25:26 时间, 由普通用户 OrangeBread 编辑

现在有了很多AI可以对话,我就试试最常用的3个,

ChatGPT , Gemini,和 perplexity。

我自己的情况交作业,比较一下成绩单,

其中perplexity 最详细,

Side?by?side comparison

Strategy Annual return assumption 25?year yearly contribution Approx. value after 25 years
VOO 10% 30,000 USD ≈ 3.0 million USD
QQQ 14% 30,000 USD ≈ 6.1 million USD
 
 

Returns for QQQ are more volatile and the future may be very different from the past, so the higher figure is not guaranteed. VOO’s S&P 500 exposure is usually considered more diversified, with somewhat lower risk and lower expected return.

You’re now adding three lump sums into the same fund:

  • 100k in 2003.

  • 100k in 2010.

  • 100k in 2022.


Extra 100k’s in VOO (10%/yr)

Years of growth to early 2026 (approx):

  • 2003 → ~23 years.

  • 2010 → ~16 years.

  • 2022 → ~4 years.

Using FV=100,000×(1.10)n:

  • 2003 100k: 100,000×(1.10)23≈100,000×8.0≈800,000.

  • 2010 100k: 100,000×(1.10)16≈100,000×4.6≈460,000.

  • 2022 100k: 100,000×(1.10)4≈100,000×1.46≈146,000.

Total from the three lumps in VOO:
≈ 800k + 460k + 146k ≈ 1.41M USD.

Add to the earlier 3.0M stream result:

  • VOO total ≈ 3.0M + 1.41M ≈ 4.4M USD.


Extra 100k’s in QQQ (14%/yr)

Same timing, but with r=14%:

  • 2003 → ~23 years.

  • 2010 → ~16 years.

  • 2022 → ~4 years.

Using FV=100,000×(1.14)n:

  • 2003 100k: (1.14)23≈26 → ≈ 2.6M USD.

  • 2010 100k: (1.14)16≈7.8 → ≈ 780k USD.

  • 2022 100k: (1.14)4≈1.75 → ≈ 175k USD.

Total from the three lumps in QQQ:
≈ 2.6M + 0.78M + 0.175M ≈ 3.55M USD.

Add to the earlier 6.1M stream result:

  • QQQ total ≈ 6.1M + 3.55M ≈ 8.1M USD.?


Quick comparison

Fund 25 yrs of 30k/yr Extra 100k (2003, 2010, 2022) Approx total now
VOO ≈ 3.0M USD ≈ 1.4M USD ≈ 4.4M USD
QQQ ≈ 6.1M USD ≈ 3.6M USD ≈ 8.1M USD
 
 

These numbers assume smooth average annual returns, ignore taxes and fees, and use rounded exponents, so reality could be significantly higher or lower in any specific period.

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从比较到跳跃到目前,

 

 

How to think about the 12?unit deal

We’re missing key numbers: purchase price, expenses, and how much down payment/lending structure. So I’ll show you what you should check, not just “yes/no”.

For the new property (12 units, 32k/month rent):

  1. Estimate realistic expenses

    • Operating expenses (tax, insurance, maintenance, management, utilities you cover) often run 30–50% of gross rent.

    • Example: if we assume 40%:

      • Gross: 32k/month

      • Operating expenses (40%): ~12.8k

      • NOI (before loan): ~19.2k/month (~230k/year).

  2. Decide down payment and loan

    • Suppose price is P, loan is L, interest rate r, amortization 25–30 years.

    • Calculate monthly payment; that will tell you whether it adds or subtracts real cash flow.

  3. Key metrics to test

    • Net cash flow: Will this deal increase your monthly cash flow, or reduce it?

    • Cash?on?cash return:

      • Net yearly cash flow ÷ your actual cash invested (down payment + closing + capex).

      • For the risk you’re already carrying, I’d want this new deal to be clearly above 5–6%, ideally higher.

    • DSCR on the new loan: NOI ÷ annual debt service. Aim comfortably >1.20, ideally ~1.3–1.4+.

If, after all realistic expenses and debt, the 12?unit only gives you a small extra cash flow (or is negative), then you’re taking on more concentration and work without enough reward.


Strategic question: growth vs consolidation

Right now:

  • You already have:

    • High net worth (≈11.8M equity).

    • Good positive cash flow (25k/month).

    • Significant leverage (≈8.5M total debt).

The trade?off:

  • Buying the 12?unit:

    • Pros: more units, more diversification within real estate, potential appreciation, more economies of scale.

    • Cons: more leverage and complexity, more exposure to one asset class and interest?rate cycles, more management problems.

  • Not buying (or buying something smaller/better yielding):

    • Pros: you lock in a strong position, can use 700k for reserves, selective upgrades, or diversification into liquid investments (VOO/Treasuries) to reduce risk.

    • Cons: slower growth in units and real?estate equity.

Given your already large portfolio, the bar for a new deal should be high. The 12?unit should:

  • Improve your total cash flow meaningfully (not just slightly).

  • Offer a strong cash?on?cash return on the new money you put in.

  • Not push your overall risk (DSCR, vacancy tolerance, reserves) into a dangerous zone.


Practical decision rule

Before you commit, I’d do this for the 12?unit:

  1. Get:

    • Actual asking price.

    • Realistic pro?forma: taxes after reassessment, insurance, maintenance, management, utilities, repairs, vacancy.

    • Financing terms (rate, amortization, down payment).

  2. Calculate:

    • NOI, annual debt service, net cash flow.

    • Cash?on?cash on your down payment.

    • DSCR for the property and your whole portfolio.

  3. Only proceed if:

    • Net cash flow is strongly positive and improves your total monthly cash flow,

    • Cash?on?cash is clearly attractive (e.g., >7–8% for the new equity, given your size and risk),

    • DSCR remains healthy and you still have solid cash reserves after closing (not using the entire 700k).

If you share the expected purchase price, interest rate, and down payment, I can walk through the actual numbers and tell you if the 12?unit looks financially “must?buy”, “OK”, or “too much risk for too little return” in your situation.

 
 
 

 

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妥妥的实力派。 -c和a- 给 c和a 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 09:32:09

你来坛子里问时,我的感觉就是这样。不值得,可有可无。但若是没有其它收入,需要现金流提前退休的人,可能我觉得就值得做。 -守月- 给 守月 发送悄悄话 (902 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 09:37:31

我也是犹豫不决,其实是2栋,7+5,我想买7units的,但是可能加价300K,就不见得拿到。如果二个一起买,就可能拿到 -OrangeBread- 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 (348 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 09:45:55

也不是不可以买,主要是投资回报不理想(主动收入多),另外,过去十年投大盘是10+%,长期是7%,有更好的投资选择。 -守月- 给 守月 发送悄悄话 (137 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:12:24

嗯,有道理。 -OrangeBread- 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 (434 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:23:26

我昨晚就被朋友叫过去喝酒,讨论投资啥。。。 -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (181 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:06:35

你的意思是年轻十来岁的可以玩JEPI/JEPQ,而近60的还是传统投资法? -OrangeBread- 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:15:43

反了。我要退休了,投资保守一些,也要考虑现金流。 -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:18:14

所以是你玩JEPI/JEPQ?具体讲讲,为啥我查看的是这么说的? -OrangeBread- 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 (208 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:26:04

说得不错啊。。。在微跌或微涨环境里最好。大跌保护作用不大,因为不能卖(借出去了)。 -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (301 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:48:51

赞!合适自己的就是最好的。 -OrangeBread- 给 OrangeBread 发送悄悄话 OrangeBread 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/24/2026 postreply 10:50:00

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