潜艇的隐身 - 200米是最起码,300米更好,事实上越深越好,如果潜艇能承受的话。里面是Gemini AI说的 …

Yes, 300 meters is significantly better, and "deeper is almost always better" is a core principle of blue water submarine stealth.

While 200 meters is the rule of thumb to get below the "sunlight zone" and the permanent thermocline, diving to 300 meters (or deeper) provides three critical advantages.

1. Increased Protection from Non-Acoustic Detection

This is the most significant benefit. The "footprints" a submarine leaves on the surface become exponentially fainter with every meter of depth.

Thermal Scar: At 300 meters, the hot water from the reactor has much farther to travel, mixing and cooling almost completely before it can ever reach the surface. This makes the sub nearly invisible to satellite infrared sensors.

Surface Wake (Bernoulli Hump): The surface disturbance a sub creates shrinks rapidly with depth. A wake that might be detectable at 150-200 meters is almost certainly non-existent or lost in the background "noise" of ocean waves when the sub is at 300 meters.

2. More Tactical Freedom (Speed = Stealth)

The biggest enemy of a sub's quietness is its own propeller.

What is Cavitation? At high speeds or shallow depths, the propeller's spinning blades create a low-pressure zone that literally boils the water, forming tiny, noisy bubbles. This "cavitation" is incredibly loud and a dead giveaway on enemy sonar.  

The Depth Solution: The deeper a submarine goes, the greater the surrounding water pressure. This intense pressure makes it much harder for those bubbles to form.  

The 300m Advantage: At 300 meters, the ambient pressure is enormous, allowing a commander to spin the propeller much faster—and thus move the submarine faster—before cavitation ever begins. The sub can "run quiet" at a much higher tactical speed than it could at 200 meters.

3. A Larger "Playing Field"

In anti-submarine warfare, the ocean is a 3D battlespace. More depth means more room to maneuver.

Evading Torpedoes: A torpedo hunting a sub has a "search cone." The more vertical water the sub has to work with, the easier it is to "out-fly" the torpedo by diving or climbing.

Hiding in Deeper Layers: The ocean isn't just one layer. There are often multiple, deeper acoustic layers (sometimes called shadow zones) below the main thermocline. A 300-meter (or deeper) capability gives the captain more options to find the absolute quietest, most hidden part of the ocean.

In short, 200 meters gets you "off the grid." 300 meters lets you move around on that grid, quickly and invisibly, while also erasing your tracks from satellite surveillance.

 

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别管多深,现在谁也无法证实证伪每个有核潜艇的国家在外没露面的核潜艇的具体位置。 -TreeNewBee- 给 TreeNewBee 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:07:06

虽然核潜艇可以几乎无限航行,但船员的食物吃光时还是得回基地补给。离开深水区很远的潜艇基地在隐身上就吃了大亏了。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:16:21

探测潜艇主要靠声纳,红外线和尾流除非潜艇的深度很浅,而且探测潜艇需要专用的反潜机/猎潜艇,这些战时没有可能接近中国近海 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:43:40

你落伍了。现在靠卫星。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:45:15

卫星用什么手段探测?只有声纳可以在水下传播,但太空里没有空气,卫星根本发射不出声波,更别说传到地面/海面 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:47:39

你说的卫星探测如果是天基红外线预警系统,那只有在对方潜射弹道导弹出水的那一刻才能探测到,那时核战争已经开始了。 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:49:19

以前台湾菲律宾和日本可以阻止中共核潜艇进入太平洋,现在巨浪3的射程根本不需要进入日本以东的洋面在中国近海就可以发射 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:52:20

所以前几年潜艇还演习穿越第一岛链,这两年都不再派潜艇穿越岛链了,因为没有必要了。 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:53:49

台湾以东也只有航母编队和掩护航母的攻击潜艇有必要去 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 15:55:17

所以说你落伍了。看看AI怎么说卫星怎样侦测潜艇: -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (23159 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:01:42

都是需要”shallow water“ -dakinglaile- 给 dakinglaile 发送悄悄话 dakinglaile 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:22:12

Shallow water指深度不到200米的海域。大陆周围的海域都是。Sunlight Zone是200米。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:37:18

这些探测手段从卫星上都不如飞机上,我前边说了可见光最多探测到40米深,磁力探测的有效距离只有几公里,卫星距离海面几百公里 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:31:53

而且除了地球同步卫星其他卫星没办法盯着地球表面一个具体地点看,下次再经过时根本不知潜艇去哪了。同步卫星高度是3万6千公里 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:36:20

现在卫星数目众多。大家轮流盯住一个地区很容易,不需同步卫星。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:43:31

你又落伍了。现在海洋的Sunlight Zone是200米,超过200米是Twilight Zone。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:40:47

你问个潜水教练就知道了。海水透明度好的时候潜水员和水下摄影机都只能看几十米 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:51:33

你的潜水艇教练不知道这些年来的科技进展,还停留在过去。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:54:56

高精度的军用侦察相机可以看到200米的深度。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 18:05:17

不大相信,有报道的链接吗? -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 18:12:00

其实咲媱网友所说的,是现代战略分析家的共识,我也曾经读过,这不是她凭空想出来的,只是她对现代战略家看法的涉猎比一般人深广 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/24/2025 postreply 16:48:59

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