我问ChatGPT里面空战的问题 …

我问:

So in the beyond-visual range air battle, a slower aircraft with smaller RCS and infrared signature vs. a faster aircraft with larger RCS and infrared signature, assuming everything else being equal, and both sides employ long range air-to-air missiles, which one has the advantage?

 
ChatGPT回答:
 

In a beyond-visual-range (BVR) air battle, where one aircraft is slower with a smaller radar cross-section (RCS) and infrared (IR) signature, and the other is faster but has a larger RCS and IR signature, the slower aircraft with stealth characteristics generally holds the advantage under the assumption that everything else (e.g., missile technology, sensors, and electronic warfare capabilities) is equal. Here’s why:

 

Key Factors Favoring the Slower, Stealthier Aircraft:

    1.    Detection and Targeting Advantage:

        The smaller RCS and IR signature make the slower aircraft significantly harder to detect and track. In BVR combat, the ability to delay detection can determine which aircraft gets the first-shot opportunity, often the decisive factor.

    2.    First-Shot Opportunity:

        With stealth, the slower aircraft can approach closer to the faster aircraft without being detected. This increases the probability of launching a missile first while reducing the time available for the faster aircraft to react or counterattack.

    3.    Missile Evasion:

        A low-RCS, low-IR-signature aircraft can evade radar-guided or IR-guided missiles more effectively, as modern missiles may struggle to maintain a lock on such targets during the terminal phase of flight.

    4.    Passive Targeting Options:

        The stealthier aircraft can use Infrared Search and Track (IRST) systems or off-board data for passive tracking, avoiding active radar emissions that might reveal its position to the faster aircraft.

 

Challenges for the Faster Aircraft with Larger RCS and IR Signature:

    1.    Easier to Detect:

        The larger RCS and IR signature make the faster aircraft vulnerable to earlier detection by radar and IR sensors, allowing the slower aircraft to engage from a position of advantage.

    2.    Reduced Survivability in Missile Exchanges:

        If the slower aircraft launches first, the faster aircraft’s larger RCS and IR signature make it a more attractive and easier target for the missile to track, particularly in the terminal phase.

    3.    Limited Engagement Options:

        The faster aircraft might need to rely on external sensor networks (e.g., AWACS) to detect and target the stealthy opponent, which introduces potential vulnerabilities in contested environments where such assets might be degraded or unavailable.

 

Situations Where the Faster Aircraft Might Have an Edge:

    1.    Extended Missile Kinematics:

        If the faster aircraft launches a missile at maximum range, the missile benefits from its higher kinetic energy, potentially out-ranging the slower aircraft’s missiles.

    2.    Repositioning and Escape:

        Speed allows the faster aircraft to reposition quickly, potentially avoiding the engagement envelope of the slower aircraft or disengaging after launching its missiles.

    3.    Network-Centric Advantages:

        If the faster aircraft has robust support from networked targeting (e.g., AWACS, satellites), it might detect and engage the slower aircraft without relying solely on its onboard sensors.

 

Final Assessment:

        Advantage to the Slower Aircraft with Stealth:

In BVR combat, stealth (low RCS and IR signature) is generally more valuable than speed, especially with modern long-range missiles and advanced sensor systems. A stealthier aircraft can detect, target, and engage the faster aircraft first while remaining undetected longer, leading to a significant tactical advantage.

        Faster Aircraft’s Potential Edge:

The faster aircraft’s advantages—higher missile energy, maneuverability, and ability to dictate range—are less impactful if it cannot detect and target the stealthier opponent in time.

 

Conclusion:

 

All else being equal, the slower aircraft with smaller RCS and IR signature has the advantage in a modern BVR air battle due to its superior survivability, first-shot potential, and difficulty in being tracked and engaged.

 
 

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您直接问B21 vs J20, 或者B21 vs F22不就完了么?答案很简单,都是B21逃命的份 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (31 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:29:39

您那不叫抽象化,您那叫设定前提。 B21 vs F22 也不存在政治正确的因素 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:39:47

B21 vs F22也有两家厂商的问题。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:44:53

chatGPT说F22会赢,是因为洛玛比洛格势力大嘛? -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:49:13

就是说按您的科学研究,实际上B21会把F22干掉 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:50:34

但是ChatGPT不能这么说啊,那叫F22的制造商洛马公司情以何堪。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:59:06

可是ChatGPT昧着良心说F22会干掉B21,让洛格公司情何以堪哪 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 20:00:57

因为一般人都会不加思考地认为F22能干掉B21。ChatGPT那样回答只是跟一般人一样,不会被怪罪。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 20:05:24

尊重您作为非一般人加思索后得出的B21空战强于F22的观点。先去睡了,改天聊 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 20:24:36

LOL -manyworlds- 给 manyworlds 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 21:22:13

而且讲政治正确的可不是chatGPT,而是您哪 -StewartPlatform- 给 StewartPlatform 发送悄悄话 StewartPlatform 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 19:41:33

我把问题抽象化了,这样ChatGPT才能不考虑政治正确地回答。 -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 20:00:39

我的抽象化的问题有什么问题吗? -大观园的贾探春- 给 大观园的贾探春 发送悄悄话 大观园的贾探春 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/03/2025 postreply 20:01:59

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