美国海军战争大学教授,美国海军退役舰长:最近2500年的28场海上战争,25场是军舰数量多的一方获胜。军舰质量的作用不大

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/16/asia/china-navy-fleet-size-history-victory-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Expert’s warning to US Navy on China: Bigger fleet almost always wins

 

A Type 54A frigate of the Chinese navy leaves the Baltic Sea via the Kiel Canal.

 

Seoul, South Korea
CNN
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As China continues to grow what is already the world’s largest navy, a professor at the US Naval War College has a warning for American military planners: In naval warfare, the bigger fleet almost always wins.

Writing in the January issue of the US Naval Institute’s Proceedings magazine, Sam Tangredi says if history is any lesson, China’s numerical advantage is likely to lead to defeat for the US Navy in any war with China.

Tangredi, the Leidos Chair of Future Warfare Studies at the US Naval War College and a former US Navy captain, looked at 28 naval wars, from the Greco-Persian Wars of 500 BC, through recent Cold War proxy conflicts and interventions. He found in only three instances did superior technology defeat bigger numbers.

“All other wars were won by superior numbers or, when between equal forces, superior strategy, or admiralship,” Tangredi wrote. “Often all three qualities act together, because operating a large fleet generally facilitates more extensive training and is often an indicator that leaders are concerned with strategic requirements,” Tangredi wrote.

The three outliers – wars from the 11th, 16th and 19th centuries – aren’t likely familiar to all but the most ardent of scholars, but others that show where numbers beat technology certainly are.

Take the Napoleanic wars of the early 1800s, for example.

“French warships were superior in the technology of ship design and construction, but ultimately, it was the large numbers of Royal Navy ships that prevented Napoleon from crossing the (English) channel,” Tangredi wrote.

Pacing threat
Pentagon leaders have identified China as the US military’s “pacing threat.” But fleet size numbers show that the US military can’t keep pace with China’s naval growth.

The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) surpassed the US Navy in fleet size sometime around 2020 and now has around 340 warships, according to the Pentagon’s 2022 China Military Power Report, released in November. China’s fleet is expected to grow to 400 ships in the next two years, the report says.

Meanwhile, the US fleet sits under 300 ships, and the Pentagon’s goal is to have 350 manned ships, still well behind China, by 2045, according to the US Navy’s Navigation Plan 2022 released last summer.

So to compete, US military leaders are counting on technology.

That same Pentagon document says, “the world is entering a new age of warfare, one in which the integration of technology, concepts, partners, and systems — more than fleet size alone — will determine victory in conflict.”

But Tangredi points to World War II in the Pacific, where Japanese technology began as the better of America’s, as an example of why the Pentagon’s conclusions don’t necessarily hold true.

“Imperial Japan entered the war with some superior technologies: the Zero fighter, Long-Lance torpedo, and aerial torpedoes that could strike in shallow water,” Tangredi wrote in Proceedings.

“However, it was the overall might of US industry and the size of the US fleet (particularly its logistics and amphibious ships) that ground out victory over the Imperial Japanese Navy,” he said.

‘Attrition is a real thing’
Alessio Patalano, professor of war and strategy at King’s College in London, praised Tangredi’s work.

“His research is a very good way to push back on the silly assumption that mass doesn’t matter in war at sea,” Patalano said.

He stressed two key points.

A larger size means more leaders looking to gain the edge in their commands.

“A larger fleet tend to be more competitive, in training personnel development, and operational capacity,” Patalano said.

And he said a large industrial base is essential, especially in being able to build new units after incurring casualties in battle.

“In naval war, attrition is a real thing, so the ability to replace is vital,” Patalano said.

Tangredi’s look at the World War II aircraft carrier fleets shows the stark numbers. Both the US and Japan began the war with eight carriers, he said.

“During the war, Imperial Japan built 18 carrier-equivalents … while the United States built 144. Unless the United States decided not to fight, Japan never had a chance,” he wrote.

Shipbuilding was a US strength when it was the world’s industrial giant in the 1940s. That title now falls to China.

“Most analysts doubt that the US defense industry — which has consolidated and shrunk since the end of the Cold War — could expand quickly enough to meet wartime demand,” Tangredi wrote.

Replenishing ammunition stocks
Indeed, there is worry US industry cannot keep up with the demand of providing weapons assistance to Ukraine to fight Russia’s invasion while keeping US weapons arms inventories at adequate levels.

Adm. Daryl Caudle, commander of US Fleet Forces Command, last week called on the nation’s defense industries to step up their game, saying “you’re not delivering the ordnance we need.”

“It’s so essential to winning. And I can’t do that without the ordnance,” Caudle said at a symposium in Washington, adding that the US is “going against a competitor here, and a potential adversary, that is like nothing we’ve ever seen.”

In an online forum last week, Caudle’s boss, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday, also noted the numbers problem the US faces in a potential Pacific conflict.

“The United States Navy is not going to be able to match the PLAN missile for missile,” Gilday said.

And if the US Navy can’t match China’s missile for missile, or ship for ship, Tangredi wonders where it can find an edge.

“US leaders must ask themselves to what extent they are willing to bet on technological — without numerical — superiority in that fight,” he wrote.

“I do not say that a smaller, technologically superior fleet could never defeat a much larger fleet, I only say that — with the possible the exception of three cases in the past 1,200 years — none has.”

 

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都是纸上谈兵,二战后没有大型海战,一切都是推论 -cn_abcd- 给 cn_abcd 发送悄悄话 cn_abcd 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:01:58

这可以说是从动物界到人类,从古到今,从冷兵器到核大战的规律,武器没有代差,双方就拼数量,拼生产能力,拼资源。海战只是特例 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (138 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:07:28

对也不对,还有战术战略。 -cn_abcd- 给 cn_abcd 发送悄悄话 cn_abcd 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:11:43

战略战术都会在战争中得到提升,不是致胜的关键。这位教授举的例子,美日太平洋战争。美军初期战略战术极其笨拙无能。苏德也一样 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:15:52

中途岛战役? -cn_abcd- 给 cn_abcd 发送悄悄话 cn_abcd 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:24:10

1942年6月的中途岛战役时,美国海军已经吸取了1942年上半年一系列失败的教训,尤其是珊瑚海航母大战。兵员素质提升很快 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (222 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:30:25

这是有可能的,日本没有战略家认识到应该夺下夏威夷 -cn_abcd- 给 cn_abcd 发送悄悄话 cn_abcd 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:54:13

日本的困境同样适用于中国。这就是为啥中国在太平洋挑战美国绝无胜利的可能的原因。 -hkzs- 给 hkzs 发送悄悄话 hkzs 的博客首页 (204 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:33:14

不同意。因为战舰数量是动态的,不是开战时绝对数量多者必胜而是终战时幸存数量多者胜。 -hkzs- 给 hkzs 发送悄悄话 hkzs 的博客首页 (710 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:53:29

这位教授指出,持续几年到几十年的海上战争,军舰数量重要,建造军舰的工业能力更重要。现在军舰数量,中国400,美国300. -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:03:24

这其实用不着他来说,任何一场持久战最后都取决于双方的工业能力和资源(包括人力、物资、资金) -过来人2- 给 过来人2 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:08:14

这位教授的贡献,是详细列举了历史上真实发生的海战,并且证明,大国之间的海战,都是消耗战,战略,战术,和技术的作用有限。 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:20:00

所以战争获胜的唯一诀窍,就是多打战争,在战争中学习战争,在战争中清理腐败。 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:32:09

对,就连最低等的蚂蚁打架,大个头的黑蚂蚁,数量少了,绝对打不过数量多的小个头红蚂蚁。 -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:17:14

就算美国能够以一敌二,损失200艘军舰,拼掉中国全部400艘军舰。然后呢?美国用剩下的100艘军舰,继续当世界警察? -easycity- 给 easycity 发送悄悄话 (177 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:40:45

当然。另外,既然中国海军全灭了,那根本没有可能再在短时间内重新再建一支同样规模的舰队。这是中国不如美国的地方。 -hkzs- 给 hkzs 发送悄悄话 hkzs 的博客首页 (179 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:38:01

中国人民解放军海军就是靠大量渔船,用手榴弹炸沉了美帝的北越炮舰的! -第五代非领导人- 给 第五代非领导人 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:55:47

西沙海战的对手是南越的美制军舰。 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:00:28

哈哈哈,渔船;) -天台坐客- 给 天台坐客 发送悄悄话 天台坐客 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:28:00

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