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回答: 猜测关于ARM的未来天涯追梦2026-05-04 19:23:19
  • Apple: fully custom ARM cores (best-known example)
  • Google: partially custom (now moving toward more in-house CPU design)
  • Amazon: mostly uses ARM cores, but heavily customizes system + now adding its own CPU IP
  • Microsoft: historically used ARM cores; recently started building custom silicon, but CPU cores are still largely ARM-based

Let’s break it down precisely


1) Apple (baseline for comparison)

  • Uses ARM ISA license
  • Designs fully custom CPU cores
  • Example: Firestorm, Avalanche (M-series)

This is the gold standard of custom ARM design


2) Google (Pixel / Tensor chips)

Older approach (Tensor G1–G3)

  • Used ARM Cortex cores (e.g., Cortex-X1, A78, etc.)
  • Focused customization on:
    • AI/TPU
    • ISP (image processing)
    • System-level tuning

CPU cores themselves = not custom


New direction (important shift)

Recent reports indicate:

  • Google is working on fully custom ARM CPU cores
  • Likely starting in future Tensor generations

Moving closer to Apple-style vertical integration


3) Amazon (Graviton chips)

Current reality

  • Chips like AWS Graviton3 use:
    • ARM Neoverse cores (server-class Cortex equivalent)

But Amazon:

  • Deeply customizes
    • Cache hierarchy
    • Interconnect
    • Memory subsystem
    • Power tuning

So:

  • CPU core = ARM-designed
  • System = heavily Amazon-optimized

Future trend

Amazon is increasingly:

  • Adding more in-house silicon IP
  • Potentially moving toward custom cores (but not fully public yet)

4) Microsoft (Surface / Azure)

Consumer side (Surface)

  • Uses Qualcomm chips like:
    • Snapdragon (ARM Cortex-based or semi-custom)

Microsoft itself does NOT design CPU cores here


Cloud side (Azure)

  • Has its own ARM chip:
    • Azure Cobalt 100

Based on:

  • ARM Neoverse cores

Similar to Amazon:

  • Not custom cores
  • But custom SoC integration

Emerging direction

Microsoft is investing in:

  • Custom silicon (AI + CPU roadmap)

But:

  • Still behind Apple in CPU core design maturity

5) Big picture comparison

Company Custom CPU core? Approach
Apple Yes Fully custom microarchitecture
Google ? Partial → moving to full Historically Cortex, now building custom
Amazon (core) / (system) Uses ARM cores, custom SoC
Microsoft (core) / (system) Similar to Amazon

6) Key insight (this is the real story)

There are three levels of “custom ARM”:

Level 1 — Use ARM cores (most companies)

  • Microsoft, Amazon (today), older Google
  • Fast to market
  • Lower R&D cost

Level 2 — Semi-custom / tuned cores

  • Qualcomm (Kryo)
  • Google (Tensor early gen)

Level 3 — Fully custom cores (hardest)

  • Apple (leader)
  • Google (moving here)
  • Possibly Amazon/Microsoft in future

Final takeaway

  • Only Apple currently does fully custom ARM CPU cores at scale
  • Amazon & Microsoft: strong in system-level silicon, not CPU cores (yet)
  • Google: transitioning toward Apple’s model

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