美国大饥荒饿死700万人, 政府也是隐瞒数据

我们这一代人知道一些血零零的数字,600犹太人,南京30万人,3年自然灾害3000万人。准不准?  一是天晓得,二是还不能说没这个数字。因为已经上升到了政治高度。

1960年代,中国有6亿8千万人口,饿死3000万就是4.4%的人口。   3000万的数字怎么来的? 是根据每年的从人口的变化推算出来的。  准不准无所谓,但是它是一个诋毁社会主义制度的重要证据。

大家都知道美国有great depression,但是鲜有人知在美国也同样有饿死人的岁月。  多少? 700万 . 按当时美国1亿3千万人口,就是5.4%。   绝对不输于中国的。当然它绝对不能算作民主社会、或资本主义社会的缺点。 这个不好讲。

这700万的数字怎么来的? 也是根据每年的从人口的变化推算出来的。  700万人准不准,天晓得。  但大家不妨看一下一些人的叙述:

700万人准不准,天晓得。  但大家不妨看一下一些人的叙述:

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 Tracy says:

May 26, 2008 at 11:58 am

I watched a movie in an African American studies class that dealt with people starving in the south during the depression. Wish I could remember the name. One elderly lady told a story she had heard (urban legend?) about a man who worked for the gas company coming to shut off a family’s gas. She begged him to wait until she cooked dinner. She was cooking the family dog.   (美国人多爱自己的狗,这相当于吃死人)

Leila Abu-Saba says:

May 26, 2008 at 1:04 pm

My middle-class grandparents, a preacher and his wife in rural Virginia, survived because their parishioners paid them in produce and proteins: rabbits etc. One time a parishioner gave them a whole bunch of dead rabbits and my grandmother skinned, cooked and canned the lot of them. She kept her canned goods in a crawl space beneath the church altar – sent her boys in and out with the loot – cooler temperatures.

Stitching underpants out of flour sacks. Oranges once a year at Christmas. (这日子,我们小时候也不会是这样子的)  Making paper “spills” (stove lighter straws) for Christmas presents. Etc. etc.

 Tom Ness says:

May 26, 2008 at 6:06 pm

From my own family’s oral histories:

As for desperate workers being exploited during the Great Depression, the father of a childhood friend told me about a brick factory in Red Bluff, California where laborers would line up at the gate every day for work. The men hired were required to run, not walk, with wheelbarrows full of bricks until they couldn’t run anymore, then they were replaced with the next man in line.  (中国现在好像还没这么剥削工人的吧)

February 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm

I have been researching the Depression lately, and have come across this information:

The CCC paid $30 a month, yes. The worker received $5 a month of that amount for spending money. The rest was sent to the worker’s family, for their use. If the worker had no family, it was invested for him until he got out. Even then, that was not much money, but it was a lot more than nothing. (干一个月$30,只能拿到$5零花)

As to the deaths from starvation? The various books give anecdotal evidence of it, but rarely address the issue. The ones that do point out that the authorities of the time would not allow starvation to be listed as a cause of death. It had to be some generic term, like ‘heart failure’ or ‘vicissitude’. I guess it looked bad to admit that Americans were starving to death. Do I think they were? Absolutely. How many? There’s really no way to know.  (这个根中国好像一样哎,为了不给民主社会摸黑,不要说是饿死的)

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又来了不是。美国有一恶,所以我们可以有百恶。如果美国没有,就让它有。 -大号蚂蚁- 给 大号蚂蚁 发送悄悄话 大号蚂蚁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:23:03

自己脸不干净,有什么资格指责别人不洗脸? -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:26:09

相互指责好了,共同提高吗。再说了,没有绝对干净,但是脏的程度还是有区别的。 -Warsteiner- 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:29:24

所以就是50步笑100步 -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (23 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:34:20

这个车轱辘话又来了:) 50步比100步好一倍,那可不是一眼眼, -Warsteiner- 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 (205 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:39:59

99步也要笑百步 -I751- 给 I751 发送悄悄话 I751 的博客首页 (91 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:45:37

当然可以啊。可被指责的人,肯定不服气 -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:49:20

Well Said.没有办法查明死了多少人也是中国政府自己做的孽,并不能抹杀事实. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:50:35

好象指责中国政府最厉害的是中国老百姓自己吧.美国人谁知道这盲人是谁啊. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:49:18

养活13亿的穷人还要借钱给养活3亿人的富豪挥霍,柔弱强食啊。 -yasas- 给 yasas 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:34:54

“诋毁社会主义制度的重要证据”的说法比较牵强, -Warsteiner- 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 (81 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:33:26

那个时候政权刚建立不久,有点心虚,老怕人家说自己制度不好 -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (45 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:35:52

就像香港97回归后 -乡吾宁- 给 乡吾宁 发送悄悄话 乡吾宁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:41:21

欧洲人普遍认为瑞士是社会主义。这相对靠普些。 -yasas- 给 yasas 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:38:02

几十年前的事,美国人平静反思。中国人还在低水平吵架。右派为自己政治目的炒作, -xinhua- 给 xinhua 发送悄悄话 xinhua 的博客首页 (205 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:44:48

美国对DEPRESSION有详细的记载.学校里学生也都学那段历史,中国有吗?这就是区别. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (88 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:47:29

中国为什么要学美国? -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (81 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:51:05

凡是好的东西为什么不能学,管它是美国的还是日本的? 封闭自己难道是最好的,和你没法辩论了,你自己好好玩吧. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:56:08

中国N千年历史,是好东西,先让美国慢慢学着吧 -勿来三- 给 勿来三 发送悄悄话 勿来三 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:57:01

中国千年东西,糟粕多.什么是现代社会?我都怀疑你长了个古人的脑袋.估计年纪也不小.逻辑混乱的可以. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:58:52

BY THE WAY,你要自尊心这么强的,现代科技多数来自美国,欧洲,不学的话估计您还点蜡烛呢.简直可笑. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:57:21

大萧条的统计数据...出生死亡自杀都统计到个位, -Icat- 给 Icat 发送悄悄话 Icat 的博客首页 (11097 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:51:36

猫同学真有钻研精神.佩服一下. -999朵玫瑰- 给 999朵玫瑰 发送悄悄话 999朵玫瑰 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:55:11

任何制度都会有危机时刻。美国死了700万,不改变民主制度;中国死了3000万,就 -tzbcwbc- 给 tzbcwbc 发送悄悄话 tzbcwbc 的博客首页 (83 bytes) () 05/03/2012 postreply 08:49:13

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