ZT: 西班牙空中管制在基辅的报告 (有争议)

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转载,略加翻译。有些报告还有视频,我并没看到

据西班牙空中管制在基辅Borisol机场报告(有争议),马来西亚MH17发生了一个无法解释的飞行线路变化:把飞机直接飞过乌克兰东部战区。
西班牙空中管制暗示击落飞机命令来自内政部(内政部),不是军方。
他还表示,MH17航班被击落之前由乌克兰战斗机护送。“战斗机飞近至777,3分钟后战机从雷达消失,仅有3分钟”。值得一提的是,西班牙空中交通管制员报告的乌克兰战机,顿涅茨克地区有目击者报告证实。
重要的是,基辅(通过导弹)击落该机的公布几乎是同时的: 据西班牙空中管制,仅在飞机从雷达屏幕(11:50)消失十分钟后,塔台在12:00被告知飞机坠落,。他们怎么会知道,除非他们有它是如何击落的具体细节?
“马来西亚航空公司波音777飞机刚刚[从雷达]消失,基辅军事当局通知我们击落,他们怎么知道的?”
根据空中交通管制员,信息不是从国防部发出: “内政部长知道战机在这个区域的行动,国防部长并不知。”
“军方确认。是乌克兰,但不知命令从哪来的”,“对于那些不知道的,乌军队的命令军有来自内政部也有来自国防部”
西班牙空中交通管制暗示有部分军队听从内政部命令: “内政部长管控的军方知道事情发生的全过程。”
“控制塔台的军事指挥官(ATC),确认导弹是从乌克兰军队发射的”
尽管华盛顿的指责是俄罗斯和“亲俄造反派”,事实指向(乌)内政部。
从官方声明人们可以看到,在政府,乌克兰军队以及军队内部各派系之间存在着深刻的分歧
真相被抑制。西班牙空中交通管制员受到死亡威胁。基辅当局把他和他的家人驱逐出乌克兰。



The Spanish Air Controller’s Report at Kiev Borisol Airport
According to the controversial report of the Spanish air controller at Kiev Borisol airport  there was an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian MH17 flight which took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine warzone.
The Spanish air controller intimates that the order to down the aircraft came from the Ministry of the Interior (Ministry of Internal Affairs) and not from the Military.
He also said that the MH17 flight was escorted by Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before it was downed.
“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
It is worth noting that the presence of the Ukraine fighter jets reported by the Spanish air traffic controller was confirmed by eyewitness reports in the Donetsk region.
What is of significance is that the announcement of the downing of the aircraft (by a missile) by Kiev was almost immediate.
According to the Spanish air controller, the air control tower was informed of the downing of the aircraft at 12.00 hours, approximately ten minutes after it disappeared from the radar screen (11.50 hours). How could they have known unless they had concrete details on how it was shot down?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared [from the radar] and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
According to air traffic controller, the information did not emanate from the Ministry of Defense:
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
“Members of the Military confirm. It was Ukraine, but still donot know where the order came from”
“For those who donot know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
The Spanish air traffic controller intimates that there were members of the military who were taking orders from the Ministry of the Interior:
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the Ukrainian army,”
Despite Washington’s accusations, pointing a finger at Russia and the “pro-Russian rebels”, the facts point to The Ministry of Interior’s VVU.
From official statements one has the distinct impression that there are profound divisions both within the government and the Ukraine Armed Forces as well as between various factions within the military.
The truth is being suppressed.  The Spanish Air Traffic Controller has the object of death threats. He and his family were deported from Ukraine on orders of the Kiev regime.
Below we indicate relevant sections of the Spanish Air Traffic Controller’s Twitter messages:
11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,
11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
“If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It′s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
“Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?”
12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí
“7:00 minutes after [plane disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ”
12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
“all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also”
13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, perono, los pro-rusos
“Here the military commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following other orders , but not the pro-Russians”
13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .
“Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.”
13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden
“Members of the Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from”
13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko
“Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]”
13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos
“The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes”
13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo
“Airspace closed”
13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos
“Airspace is closed, more downings feared”
15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil
“military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile”
15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado
“Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down”
15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes
“The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas”
15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no
“Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t”
15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine
“military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior
“For those who donot know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister”
15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .
“The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .”
16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,
“Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,”
[we are informed that the Spanish Air controller's Twitter account has been suspended] 
 

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这个消息的可信性很高。昨天的新闻说道了西班牙的塔台员,没有说到报告的事。 -Beatusa- 给 Beatusa 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 07/19/2014 postreply 10:25:58

說可能是假的. Twitter 消息是從倫敦發的. -盲拳- 给 盲拳 发送悄悄话 (189 bytes) () 07/19/2014 postreply 11:26:37

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