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WASHINGTON (AP) — It's long been known that America's school kids haven't measured well compared with international peers. Now, there's a new twist: Adults don't either.

In math, reading and problem-solving using technology — all skills considered critical for global competitiveness and economic strength — American adults scored below the international average on a global test, according to results released Tuesday.

Adults in Japan, Canada, Australia, Finland and multiple other countries scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test. Beyond basic reading and math, respondents were tested on activities such as calculating mileage reimbursement due to a salesman, sorting email and comparing food expiration dates on grocery store tags.

Not only did Americans score poorly compared to many international competitors, the findings reinforced just how large the gap is between the nation's high- and low-skilled workers and how hard it is to move ahead when your parents haven't.

In both reading and math, for example, those with college-educated parents did better than those whose parents did not complete high school.

The study, called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies, found that it was easier on average to overcome this and other barriers to literacy overseas than in the United States.

Researchers tested about 166,000 people ages 16 to 65 in more than 20 countries and subnational regions. The test was developed and released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which is made up of mostly industrialized member countries. The Education Department's Center for Education Statistics participated.

The findings were equally grim for many European countries — Italy and Spain, among the hardest hit by the recession and debt crisis, ranked at the bottom across generations. Unemployment is well over 25 percent in Spain and over 12 percent in Italy. Spain has drastically cut education spending, drawing student street protests.

But in the northern European countries that have fared better, the picture was brighter — and the study credits continuing education. In Finland, Denmark, and the Netherlands, more than 60 percent of adults took part in either job training or continuing education. In Italy, by contrast, the rate was half that.

As the American economy sputters along and many people live paycheck-to-paycheck, economists say a highly-skilled workforce is key to economic recovery. The median hourly wage of workers scoring on the highest level in literacy on the test is more than 60 percent higher than for workers scoring at the lowest level, and those with low literacy skills were more than twice as likely to be unemployed.

"It's not just the kids who require more and more preparation to get access to the economy, it's more and more the adults don't have the skills to stay in it," said Anthony Carnevale, director of the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement the nation needs to find ways to reach more adults to upgrade their skills. Otherwise, he said, "no matter how hard they work, these adults will be stuck, unable to support their families and contribute fully to our country."

Among the other findings:

—Americans scored toward the bottom in the category of problem solving in a technology rich environment. The top five scores in the areas were from Japan, Finland, Australia, Sweden and Norway, while the U.S. score was on par with England, Estonia, Ireland and Poland. In nearly all countries, at least 10 percent of adults lacked the most basic of computer skills such as using a mouse.

—Japanese and Dutch adults who were ages 25 to 34 and only completed high school easily outperformed Italian or Spanish university graduates of the same age.

—In England, Germany, Italy, Poland, and the United States, social background has a big impact on literacy skills, meaning the children of parents with low levels of education have lower reading skills.

America's school kids have historically scored low on international assessment tests compared to other countries, which is often blamed on the diversity of the population and the high number of immigrants. Also, achievement tests have long shown that a large chunk of the U.S. student population lacks basic reading and math skills — most pronounced among low-income and minority students.

This test could suggest students leaving high school without certain basic skills aren't obtaining them later on the job or in an education program.

The United States will have a tough time catching up because money at the state and local level, a major source of education funding, has been slashed in recent years, said Jacob Kirkegaard, an economist with the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

"There is a race between man and machine here. The question here is always: Are you a worker for whom technology makes it possible to do a better job or are you a worker that the technology can replace?" he said. For those without the most basic skills, he said, the answer will be merciless and has the potential to extend into future generations. Learning is highly correlated with parents' education level.

"If you want to avoid having an underclass — a large group of people who are basically unemployable — this educational system is absolutely key," Kirkegaard said.

Dolores Perin, professor of psychology and education at Teachers College, Columbia University, said the report provides a "good basis for an argument there should be more resources to support adults with low literacy."

Adults can learn new skills at any age and there are adult-geared programs around the country, Perin said. But, she said, the challenge is ensuring the programs have quality teaching and that adults regularly attend classes.

"If you find reading and writing hard, you've been working hard all day at two jobs, you've got a young child, are you actually going to go to class? It's challenging," Perin said.

Some economists say that large skills gap in the United States could matter even more in the future. America's economic competitors like China and India are simply larger than competitors of the past like Japan, Carnevale said. Even while America's top 10 percent of students can compete globally, Carnevale said, that doesn't cut it. China and India did not participate in this assessment.

"The skills in the middle are required and we're not producing them," Carnevale said.

Respondents were selected as part of a nationally represented sample. The test was primarily taken at home using a computer, but some respondents used a printed test booklet.

Among the other findings:

—Japan, Finland, Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Flanders-Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, and Korea all scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test.

—The average scores in literacy range from 250 in Italy to 296 in Japan. The U.S. average score was 270. (500 was the highest score in all three areas.) Average scores in 12 countries were higher than the average U.S. score.

—The average scores in math range from 246 in Spain to 288 in Japan. The U.S. average score was 253, below 18 other countries.

—The average scores on problem solving in technology-rich environments ranged from 275 in Poland to 294 in Japan. The U.S. average score was 277, below 14 other countries.                            

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还好还好,我乍一看以为排名250 以上呢。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:24:01

lol -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:31:41

是因为美国70%的学校不达标,30%的学校超标!回复:笑死了 -都能理解- 给 都能理解 发送悄悄话 都能理解 的博客首页 (30 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:32:47

也有可能是样品的问题 -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:37:19

很有可能就这水平。美国的教育结果除了自信排第一,其它都不咋样。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:39:18

嗯,反正我是很失望,学校老师好像也没做什么, -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:45:47

其实本来也不能都靠老师。整体这么差,好的还是顶尖的好。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:57:22

奇怪的是美国却是第一经济大国,而且生产率在全球排第三,这说明什么问题呢? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:39:33

说明一家只需要有一个能赚钱的就都能吃饱肚子。 -Rock.rose- 给 Rock.rose 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:40:27

LOL -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:41:00

没开玩笑,你知道德州的教育,如果去掉少数民族的成绩是全国第二。 -Rock.rose- 给 Rock.rose 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:00:45

我知道,所以我对美国教育还是有信心的 :) -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:11:31

说明咱会进口。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:41:30

进口那不是在帮助他国经济吗?跟本国生产率高关系不大 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:42:31

音音说的是人才进口吧 -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:44:04

为什么人才都愿意进口到美国呢?如果自己国家那么强,为什么还要来美国? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:45:57

so far yes. -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (22 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:47:34

而且这个过程还会很长。你看看国内富人精英们还是争先恐后把自己孩子往美国送就知道了 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (194 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:50:59

可以说比较暂时现象。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (44 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:56:44

真不这么觉得,至少我知道的,有的自己都在美国生活过的。 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:58:56

最重要还是国内政治环境不稳定。如果稳定的话,就不会有多少人想出来。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:00:40

所以啊,一个国家的强盛与否,是多方面的,不是读写数学好坏就能定了性的 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:05:59

美国面临的政治问题也越来越多越来越多。 衰败的开始。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (59 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:08:05

你已经打算回国了吗?也把孩子送回去读书生活吗? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:09:05

真心后悔来这里了。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (34 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:12:48

还来得及海归的 :) -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:13:35

不行啊。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (65 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:15:34

LOL,那就知足吧。 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:17:35

1,和知足哪有关系? -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:19:29

没关系的话,既然这么对美国失望,干吗在这儿呆着呢?而且孩子也在,岂不是毁自己和孩子的前程? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:21:46

失望说不上, -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (61 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:24:39

美国有钱支持科学研究,多少人就是这么从外国来的 -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:47:49

难道那些个排名前列的国家没有钱吗?而且自己人资质也应该很高,为什么没有美国的创造力呢? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:52:11

美国人的创造力,哈哈。 有多高? -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (42 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:04:12

那时你认识的不多罢了。我认识的学工程的老美挺多,邻居中也有做到工程公司高层的老美 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:07:16

政治环境人文环境都很宽松。 -牛放王小二- 给 牛放王小二 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:47:58

欧洲不是也一样,甚至更民主? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:52:37

对移民不友好。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:56:37

他们当地人不是读写,数学都已经排前位了吗?还要移民帮忙吗? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:58:15

海纳百川才不会枯竭, -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:59:48

我觉得你们把主次搞颠倒了,川要入海,还是因为海的吸引力大,否则美国教育这么差,他们干吗来? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:01:52

美国的大学以上的教育还是最好,另外,对成人而言,教育好坏没有那么重要。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:03:03

哈哈哈,很搞笑。这个统计本身不就是说的美国的成人教育吗?而且为什么美国大学教育却又在全球 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (68 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:10:52

美国的成人不上大学的多了,上CC 的跟没上也没差别,但移民不会冲着这个去的。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:13:27

另:看看世界大学排名,前20 的多少在美国。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:14:13

你是拿不同的群体作比较,应该拿美国大学生比例和其他国家大学生比例比,而不是仅根移民比 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (42 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:15:27

我在说美国的高等教育还是很好的。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:17:03

为什么基础教育不好,高等教育就能跳一个大台阶?这是我不能理解你的逻辑的地方 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:18:32

第一,这是事实,有很多数据为证,不是我的逻辑。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (143 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:22:14

所以我还是不明白,既然美国教育整体这么烂,为什么经济科技和生产率还是拍全球前列,为什么? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:24:25

又绕回去了哈 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:25:30

我也发现了。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:26:28

因为你们的回答根本就没回答我的根本问题啊。也许你们自己根本就不知道? :P -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:28:14

你先否定别人给你的答案,然后再问同一问题。 哈哈。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (14 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:34:44

我不同意,觉得你们没答到点上,为啥不能否定? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:38:02

总结一下:我们来美国的时候已经读完 K-12 了,不在乎水平,也不知道水平, -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (86 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:34:50

那是,光看到人家的好了,没想想为什么能有这些好?难道跟人文环境教育水平一毛钱关系没有? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:36:19

大家说的是阅读和数学教育,不是精英教育。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 14:04:48

即使排名靠后的里面的精英也会比当地的平均高不少。不过这不是他们对移民不好的原因。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:00:34

认识一些朋友因为身份问题从欧洲来美 -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:58:35

是的。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:52:34

人才进口,可是你看看自己身边做大老板的,有几个是第一代移民?就连第二代ABC都是凤毛麟角 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:57:22

移民不是来做老板的,是找来干活的。不可能把最好的位子给移民。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:58:10

呵呵,也就是你也同意,看来领导美国大方向走在前面的,还是人家自己人? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:00:08

但移民过两代也是自家人了。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:01:10

其实你自己看看有名的CEO和商界精英的肤色,就知道了 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:08:11

还没轮到华人呢。最近几年人数才不能忽略不计。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:10:26

华人亚裔从gold fever就已经来美了吧?年头也不短了 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:12:50

那才几个人?最近移民大潮一浪高过一浪,现在还只有个位数的比例。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (30 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:16:03

你有没有想过为什么如今还是这么多移民?既然美国已经在衰败了,教育又很不堪,为什么这些移民这么傻? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (46 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:20:15

美国衰败也比一些国家的上升高,移民不是来受 K-12 的教育的,是来挣钱找好日子过的。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:24:00

哈哈哈,所以啊,还是多想想美国的长处,及为什么长,别光想着沾人家的光 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:27:09

移民没人沾光吧。合法非法都没有。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (18 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:28:44

难道移民没有用过人家公民缴税盖好的马路学校图书馆? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:39:12

美国当然有长处,但不在阅读和数学的教育。沾光嘛,我看美国才沾了光呢。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:32:22

人家没请你来,也没请你留,你完全可以选择离开啊。 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:42:21

这个你还真错了。人家可欢迎我了,要什么就给我什么,让我高高兴兴地留在这。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 14:18:57

你不是不满意了吗?也可以选择高高兴兴地离开阿 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 14:37:44

实在是看不下去了。指出美国的初级教育的问题就一定要离开这个国家? -kisssnowman- 给 kisssnowman 发送悄悄话 kisssnowman 的博客首页 (554 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 17:17:08

算了算了,她不走我一定不能走呀, -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (66 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 17:25:09

哈哈,是啊,这样的还管了不少小组长,美国的未来悬啊! -kisssnowman- 给 kisssnowman 发送悄悄话 kisssnowman 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 17:33:48

那你可以自己管啊,把未来给挣回来呀! -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 18:40:01

看看平均成绩,也不奇怪。 -soundofsilence- 给 soundofsilence 发送悄悄话 soundofsilence 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 19:36:28

你好好忧,可惜没什么用,因为没价值啊。 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 18:38:59

1。追溯以前 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (514 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:44:04

不是说得以前,现在美国经济也还是排第一,而且生产率今年又恢复到了全球第三位。babyboomer -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (34 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:47:13

再帅,也得个时间。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:48:23

时间不是主因;而且我今天听NPR,美国公立学校已经开始学习芬兰的经验了,如果你真要强调时间 -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (60 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:54:45

这个也要好几十年吧。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (286 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:59:31

那你还是赶紧离开吧,为自己和后代着想! -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:22:50

哈哈哈。这话说的不够标准。 -陌上花开缓缓行- 给 陌上花开缓缓行 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:27:20

这个问题太奇怪。 不符合逻辑。 -baydad- 给 baydad 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:00:41

有什么不符合逻辑的?难道知识不是推动经济科技发展的基础?如果读写数学都不好,如何推动的? -臭臭妈妈- 给 臭臭妈妈 发送悄悄话 臭臭妈妈 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:17:07

中国印度也应该排在前面 -侧卫1- 给 侧卫1 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:40:40

中国和印度没有参加调查。被调查的有24个国家。 -michigan007- 给 michigan007 发送悄悄话 (406 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:11:52

排在前面的都是族裔单调的国家。美国的数据如果去掉黑墨应该没那么差 -听听意见- 给 听听意见 发送悄悄话 听听意见 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:57:37

才发现我们州参加统考的老墨占16%, 黑人占8%, 老墨正在吞食美国 -liveinca- 给 liveinca 发送悄悄话 liveinca 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:04:27

回复:才发现我们州参加统考的老墨占16%, 黑人占8%, 老墨正在吞食美国 -郁金香花园- 给 郁金香花园 发送悄悄话 (67 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 17:03:14

很可能贫富分化越小,越homogeneous的国家,分数越高。 -洋葱头儿妈妈- 给 洋葱头儿妈妈 发送悄悄话 洋葱头儿妈妈 的博客首页 (83 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 12:58:38

考试有问题吧.日本人都读什么啊.全民读漫画.还有problem solving能比过美国人? -monochrome- 给 monochrome 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 13:12:21

no worry - most nobel prizes will go US scientists -ingodwetrustforever- 给 ingodwetrustforever 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 14:32:19

自信已经是成功的一半了。 -firecar2005- 给 firecar2005 发送悄悄话 (1 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 15:10:41

这说明建设幸福家园不是靠做题做出来的。 -无名小绿草- 给 无名小绿草 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/08/2013 postreply 23:15:51

美国的平均水平被黑墨及低层次的新移民给拉下去了,其实没那么差。 -昔今评- 给 昔今评 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/09/2013 postreply 09:53:13

不明白有什么好笑。 -心在彼岸- 给 心在彼岸 发送悄悄话 心在彼岸 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 10/09/2013 postreply 11:38:23

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