IMHO, if health care reform fails, in long term, it will create

本帖于 2012-03-28 00:37:57 时间, 由普通用户 lh 编辑

IMHO, if health care reform fails, in long term, it will create serious backlash against GOP, because people will realize their medical cost will go up, as it happened after 2000. Significant portion of people who are against it, teaparty members included, simply don't realize how expensive the system is. If 18% of GDP sounds abstract, the cut in pay check will be real. In 5-10 years, the cost will climb to 20%-25% of GDP. This was precisely what happened after Clinton's reform failed and that was why Obama had the momentum to get it through. If this happens again, the insurance will keep going up. Then, there will be two painful alternatives: either the federal and state budgets are doomed or medicare as we know it will disappear. Neither will be acceptable to sensible people. Then, the only choice available would be nationalized health care.

In short term Obama will take serious heat. But at least some of those who are against it will eventually realize what had happened: they just lost the opportunity to get affordable health care. Many of them will have to go to the free clinics, paid by government. The number of people who can not afford health insurance will keep going up.

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你错了。美国人不读历史不记历史。下一回谁都不在乎今天的斗争 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 03:35:34

在NYC,一室的康抖,物业只说是$1600。你感觉是每月还是每年? -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 04:45:41

当然是每月,如果再曼哈顿面积600平尺,1600是个便宜价格。 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:27:45

这么贵呀!那不是一年光物业就要交2万?纽约真黑。 -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:36:31

你说是物业费1600?那是挺贵的。在曼哈顿coops物业每平尺1刀-1.5刀,高级点2刀。康斗便宜点因为不带税 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:40:58

就是说物业交了,就不会再有房产税了? -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:44:20

康斗的地税另算。coops的地税包含在物业里。 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:45:48

我看见东62街一康斗才卖120K,本有点动心,让你这一吓,又缩回去了。 -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:49:52

你说错了吧。你说的那个是东63街,而且不是康斗,而且才400多平尺。或许我看错了? -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:52:33

你对。东63街,379居住面积 -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:55:15

那栋楼去年底刚买下地皮,背了50米刀的摸给级,房子价值一落千丈许多住户foreclosed掉了 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (221 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:58:47

哇,这么精确/有价值的内幕,多谢多谢。 -色大胆小- 给 色大胆小 发送悄悄话 色大胆小 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 07:02:42

How do you know all these? -lh- 给 lh 发送悄悄话 (59 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 07:35:07

以后买房子找我哈,哈哈哈 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 08:39:16

曼哈顿的新高层康头物业费狠tricky。许多新康斗不拥有地皮,所以要付地租。拥有地皮的要付地皮的按揭,还有税 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (305 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:44:38

曼哈顿的租房现在行情如何? -lh- 给 lh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 07:06:34

报纸一直说是1%的空房率。 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 08:40:08

1%?那房租上涨很快哟。都怪地方太小,。。。 -lh- 给 lh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 09:07:34

可以住queens等其他地区,价格一下子掉下去,面积一下子大起来 -用户名被占用了- 给 用户名被占用了 发送悄悄话 用户名被占用了 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 09:35:23

不是不读历史,而是有各种各样版本的历史。大萧条本来是银行倒闭银根紧缩造成,硬说成是政府税多造成。反正又不负责任。 -lh- 给 lh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:15:30

而且,越离谱的版本,越能卖钱。, -lh- 给 lh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/28/2012 postreply 06:16:59

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