美国总统特使史蒂夫·维特科夫在电话中，向俄罗斯建议如何向特朗普推销他们的乌克兰计划 -彭博社

这是文字记录。史蒂夫·维特科夫（西南）和尤里·乌沙科夫（尤里·乌沙科夫），普京的外交政策顾问。

维特科夫正在向我们最大的对手透露如何操纵忽悠美国总统的内部情报。

他提议先祝贺大嘴的加沙和平计划的成功，让大嘴开心。然后建议仿照加沙和平20点计划，来制造一个类似的，然后放在桌面上，逼迫乌克兰签字。

[电话铃响]

史蒂夫·维特科夫：你好，尤里。

尤里·乌沙科夫：是的，史蒂夫，你好吗？

SW：很好，尤里。你好吗？

余：我没事。恭喜你，我的朋友。

SW：谢谢。

余：你干得很棒。这份工作真棒。非常感谢。谢谢，谢谢。

SW：谢谢你，Yuri，也感谢你的支持。我知道你们国家支持了它，我很感谢你们。

余：是的，是的，是的。是的。你知道这就是为什么我们暂停了第一次俄阿峰会的组织。

SW：是的。

余：是的，因为我们认为你在该地区真正获得了工作。

SW：听我说。我要告诉你一件事。我觉得，如果我们能解决俄乌问题，大家都会高兴得跳起来。

余：是的，是的，是的。是的，你只需要解决一个问题。[笑]

SW：什么？

余：俄乌战争。

SW：我知道！我们该如何解决这个问题？

余：朋友，我只是想听听你的建议。你觉得如果我们的老板们愿意通电话会有用吗？

SW：是的，我有。

余：你知道。你觉得这可能是什么时候？

SW：我觉得只要你提议，我的人就准备好了。

余：好，好。SW：尤里，尤里，我会这么做。我的建议是。 余：好的，请。

SW：我会打电话，并重申你祝贺总统取得这一成就，你支持它，你尊重他是一个和平之人，你真的很高兴看到这一切发生。所以我会这么说。我觉得从这个决定来看，这将是一个非常明智的选择。

因为——让我告诉你我对总统说的话。我告诉总统，俄罗斯联邦一直希望达成和平协议。这是我的信念。我告诉总统我相信这一点。我认为问题是——问题在于我们有两个国家都难以达成妥协，一旦达成，我们将达成和平协议。我甚至在想，也许我们会像在加沙那样提出一个20点的和平提案。我们制定了一个20点的特朗普计划，20点支持和平，我在想也许我们也可以对你做同样的事。我的意思是......

余：好，好，我的朋友。我认为我们的领导人可以讨论这个问题。嘿，史蒂夫，我同意你的看法，他会祝贺他，他会说特朗普先生是真正的和平主义者，诸如此类。他会这么说。

SW：但我觉得这会很棒。

余：好，好。

SW：如果，如果......听我说......

余：我会和老板商量，然后再回来找你。还行？

SW：是的，因为听我说。我只想让你说，也许只是对普京总统说，因为你知道我对普京总统怀有最深的敬意。

余：是的，是的。

SW：也许他会对特朗普总统说：你知道，史蒂夫和尤里讨论过一个与和平非常相似的20点计划，我们认为这可能会推动一些进展，我们对这类方案持开放态度——探索达成和平协议所需的条件。现在，我告诉你，我知道达成和平协议需要什么：顿涅茨克，也许还有一个未定地方。但我想说，与其那样说，不如多聊聊，希望如此，因为我觉得我们会达成协议。我认为尤里，总统会给我很多空间和裁量权，以便达成协议。

余：我明白了......

西 南部：。。。所以如果我们能创造那个机会，之后我和尤里谈过，我觉得这可能会带来很大的成就。注意他们如何嘲笑泽连斯基。  余：好的，听起来不错。听上去很好。

SW：还有一件事：泽连斯基周五将前往白宫。

余：我知道。[笑]

SW：我会去那个会议，因为他们希望我去，但我认为如果可能的话，我们应该在周五会议前和你的老板通话。

余：之前，之前——是吗？

SW：没错。

余：好，好。我听到了你的建议。我会和老板讨论，然后再回来找你，好吗？

SW：好的，尤里，我很快会和你联系。

余：太好了，太好了。非常感谢。谢谢你。

SW：再见，再见。

余：再见。

[通话结束]

令人震惊、协助战争罪犯的行为。帮助我们的敌人去坑害欧洲的民主国家。

这一切都必须立刻停止。

不要把这种背叛行为视为常态。

维特科夫应该立即被解除职务并被起诉。

维特科夫-乌沙科夫的通话被泄露。是情报界有人泄露的。

无论你身在何处，我向你致敬。

要实现这一点，必须对正在发生的事情有严重且深刻的关切。

俄罗斯正在控制我们的外交政策。

 

英文：

 

[phone rings]

Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri.

Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you?

SW: Good Yuri. How you doing?

YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend.

SW: Thank you.

YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.

SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you.

YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of first Russian-Arabic summit.

SW: Yes.

YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the region.

SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy.

YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs]

SW: What?

YU: Russian-Ukrainian war.

SW: I know! How do we get that solved?

YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone?

SW: Yes, I do.

YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible?

SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it.

YU: Ok, ok.

SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation.

YU: Yes, please.

SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have seen it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a really good call.

Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president that you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming to a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace and I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this...

YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump is a real peace man and so and so. That he will say.

SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing.

YU: Ok, ok.

SW: What if, what if... hear me out...

YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok?

SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe just to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin.

YU: Yes, Yes.

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SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think might move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to explore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I know what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yuri, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal.

YU: I see...

SW: ...so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri and we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff. Notice how they laugh at Zelensky. 

YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good.

SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Friday.

YU: I know that. [chuckles]

SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting.

YU: Before, before — yeah?

SW: Correct.

YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok?

SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon.

YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you.

SW: Bye, bye.

YU: Bye.

[Call Ends]