杜聿明 vs. 孫立人 vs. 5-star general Stilwell

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杜聿明晚年談孫立人,直言:賣主求榮的小人,根本不是民族英雄【史話今說】#近代史 #歷史 #歷史人物#舊時風雲#爆歷史#臺灣#歷史人#奇聞#叛逃#間諜#飛行員

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My point was, "When examining historical events, your initial perspective is shaped by your background and the historical figures you choose to study." Yes. 杜聿明晚年談孫立人,直言:賣主求榮的小人,根本不是民族英雄-杜聿明 loyal to Chiang Kai-shek, sacrificing his soldiers to go back to China via the path of wildness-wildman dead mountains. 孫立人 took care of his soldiers' lives and worked with 5-star general Stilwell to take his troop to India to keep his division intact and those soldiers' lives. Elaborate on my stand as for those innocent soldiers' lives. I respect what 孫立人 action in Bomai, India China zone during WW2 anti-Japanese war

 My perspective highlights a vital moral and historical distinction that often gets buried under political loyalty and retrospective framing. Let’s unpack and elaborate on your stand:


Positioning in Historical Judgment: “Where you stand depends on where you read.”

You rightly observe that retrospective history isn’t neutral—it’s shaped by who tells the story, from which ideological ground, and through whose loyalty lens.

  • Du Yuming was fiercely loyal to Chiang Kai-shek, and thus framed Sun Li-jen (孫立人) as a traitor—“賣主求榮的小人”—for cooperating with Allied forces, particularly the Americans.

  • But this judgment stems from a nationalist loyalty to Chiang, not necessarily from a moral or humanitarian evaluation of leadership.


? Sun Li-jen’s Actions in Burma–India: Leadership Rooted in Human Life

You value Sun Li-jen’s choice not from a political allegiance, but from a human-centered ethic—his decision to protect his soldiers, even if it meant coordinating with U.S. 5-star-General Joseph Stilwell and withdrawing to India.

Key Facts:

  • Sun Li-jen was a commander in the Chinese Expeditionary Force during the Burma Campaign (WWII).

  • When Japanese forces cut off retreat routes, Du Yuming’s forces were ordered to fight to the death or return over deadly terrain“wildman dead mountains”, where thousands perished.

  • In contrast, Sun prioritized survival: he led his division into India via the Bomai route, ensuring minimal loss of life and keeping his unit combat-ready for future operations.

You’re emphasizing not “who obeyed orders,” but “who upheld responsibility to human life.”


? Ethical Standpoint: Leadership is Not Blind Obedience

Your respect for Sun Li-jen is based on a belief that:

  • True leadership is not measured by loyalty to a superior, but by moral courage in protecting those under one’s command.

  • In war—especially a war of survival like China’s fight against Japan—saving the lives of trained soldiers wasn’t cowardice, but strategic, humane, and forward-looking.


Conclusion:

You reject the simplistic verdict of “traitor vs. patriot” and instead elevate Sun Li-jen’s legacy through a lens of humanity, pragmatism, and ethical leadership. In doing so, you remind us that history should not only be written by victors or loyalists—but also read through the eyes of those who carried its cost.

General Sun Li-jen's WWII victory an important contribution to Taiwan's retrocession: Ma

 
 
  • 28 November, 2015
  • Editor
General Sun Li-jen's WWII victory an important contribution to Taiwan's retrocession: Ma
In honor of the late Chinese general

President Ma Ying-jeou says that a WWII victory by late Chinese general Sun Li-jen played an important role in bringing about Taiwan's return to Chinese rule.

Ma was speaking Saturday at a Buddhist ceremony in Taipei. This year marks the 115th anniversary of Sun’s birth. The ceremony was held in honor of Sun whose army fought with Japanese troops on the Burma Front in mid-April 1942. Sun's army had fewer than 1000 soldiers remaining.

Ma said that King George VI conferred a medal on Sun, as his troops rescued more than 7000 British soldiers. Sun also received an award from US President Franklin Roosevelt.

More importantly, Ma said, Sun's victory carried political and diplomatic significance. Ma said that the victory raised China’s profile in the international community during WWII and prompted Great Britain and the United States to abolish all of the unequal treaties they had imposed on China. The president said that both countries ended their consular jurisdiction in China following the battle.

Ma also said that Sun's victory also contributed to the decision to hold the Cairo Conference. The 1943 Cairo Declaration that resulted from the conference included provisions that returned Taiwan to Chinese rule at the end of the war.

Sun Li-jen
孫立人
Sun Li-jen
 
Commander of the Republic of China Army
In office
March 1950 – June 1954
Preceded by Gu Zhutong
Succeeded by Huang Chieh
Personal details
Born December 8, 1900
Jinnu Town, Lujiang PrefectureAnhuiQing China
(present-day Lujiang County, Chaohu, Anhui, China)
Died November 19, 1990 (aged 89)
TaichungTaiwan
Education Tsinghua University
Purdue University (BS)
Virginia Military Institute (MS)
Occupation Politician
Awards  Order of the Cloud and Banner with Special Cravat

 Companion of the Order of the Bath (U.K.)
 Commander of the Order of the British Empire (U.K.)
 Officer of the Legion of Merit (U.S.)

 Order of Blue Sky and White Sun
Nickname "Rommel of the East"
Military service
Allegiance  Republic of China
Branch/service  National Revolutionary Army
Years of service 1927–1955
Rank  General
Commands Tax Police Regiment
New 38th Division
New First Army
Republic of China Army
Battles/wars

Sun Li-jen (traditional Chinese: 孫立人; simplified Chinese: 孙立人; pinyinSūn Lìrén; December 8, 1900 – November 19, 1990[citation needed]) was a Chinese Nationalist (KMT) general, a graduate of Virginia Military Institute in the United States, best known for his leadership in the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War. His military achievements earned him the laudatory nickname "Rommel of the East".[1] His New First Army was known as the "Best Army under heaven" and credited with effectively confronting Japanese troops in the 1937 Battle of Shanghai and in the Burma Campaign, 1943–1944.

Perhaps because of his foreign military training, he did not have the full confidence of Chiang Kai-shek. Sun was relieved of battle command in the Chinese Civil War in 1946, and although he was made Commander in Chief in 1950 after the retreat of the Nationalist central government to Taiwan, he was given only ceremonial roles. He was charged with conspiracy in 1955 and spent his last thirty years under virtual house arrest.

He was also known as Sun Chung-neng (仲能; Zhòngnéng; "Chung-neng" being his art name) and had the courtesy name Fu-min (撫民; Fǔmín).

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就知道孙立人是宋子文的财政部税警总团出道的。后来大概老蒋不喜欢宋子文的私人军队而被取消,孙就转去了军队。 -chufang- 给 chufang 发送悄悄话 chufang 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 17:39:34

不是说按照当时和国外的条约中国不能在某些地区驻扎正规军宋子文的税警是为了钻条约的漏洞 -rmny- 给 rmny 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 17:57:20

不是。税警总团在参加淞沪会战后伤亡惨重,1938年1月到宝鸡整编成40师。同年3月,孔祥熙在长沙成立盐务缉私总队,孙立人 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (159 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 19:07:19

太座的外公原是税警总团 -吾道悠悠- 给 吾道悠悠 发送悄悄话 (155 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 20:50:08

致敬!税警总团的装备,人员的待遇极好。由财政部直接拨款,军费不要太多。 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 20:53:47

不理解为啥去税警团。。。孙当时是侍卫总队的副总队长 -天堂之令- 给 天堂之令 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 20:51:39

国舅很看重留美背景的人。如他校友王庚,做过总队长。这人也是陆小曼的前夫。而孙不仅有留美背景,还是美国军校毕业。1932年 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (208 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 21:14:37

无根无据的,不知杜怎么会说这种话。 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/05/2025 postreply 21:34:51

庚兄说的是。觉得杜是为自己行为失败自我辩护。-:) -有言- 给 有言 发送悄悄话 有言 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 01:51:51

杜虽是黄埔一期,但书生气太浓,在圈内被称为书呆子。还有就是不懂变通,唯蒋的马首是瞻。 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 05:53:47

兵败野人山,几万人进去,出来只剩下几千人,还折了戴安澜将军。老杜罪过啊。 -新手庚- 给 新手庚 发送悄悄话 新手庚 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 06:04:40

是,有罪心虚,诬辨孙将军。-:) -有言- 给 有言 发送悄悄话 有言 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 06:46:19

Stilwell didn't get the 5th star. -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 06:11:09

杜孙的梁子是第一次入缅兵败时结下的。东北战场失利,杜解职孙新一军军长也起到一定的影响。 -信笔由墨- 给 信笔由墨 发送悄悄话 信笔由墨 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/06/2025 postreply 06:50:03

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