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Moderator: 00:00 Opens in a new window We might come on to Ukraine in a moment because that seems to me where one of the rifts in the West is most tested. But Secretary Clinton,
Hillary Clinton: as perhaps one of the few people who has actually been around since the end of the Second World War, let me add my version of history to the revisionism that I hear in not just this conversation but so many other places.
Hillary Clinton: 00:31 Opens in a new window It is for me a blessing that freedom was expanded to include in the United States, for example, the right of Black people to be treated at least better than they had been for 400 or so years. It was a culmination of freedom for women to be given their rights much more fully than they had been. It was, I think, a dramatic recognition of human dignity for gay people to be able to be treated without fear and even marry, which to me is creating a family.
01:23 Opens in a new window So you know, I understand conservative impulses; I understand we are fighting an ideological battle that is as old as time. There are those of us who are more comfortable in a more open, tolerant world, and there are those who have their concerns about it because they worry about the impact on existing institutions like the family, community, and others.
01:49 Opens in a new window Migration has been a huge flashpoint. More people were deported under my husband and Barack Obama—without killing American citizens and without putting children into detention camps—than were in the first Trump term or this first year of Trump's second term. So I think it's important to look at the facts. Very often, the ideological impulse to try to protect the status quo or "Make America Great Again" in some nostalgic past that existed for white men and capitalist enterprise was not exactly open and welcoming to people who look like me and a lot of other people who are part of our national fabric.
02:46 Opens in a new window I have no argument with the necessity of trying to figure out how we form families. I'm very proud of my family and my three grandchildren. That doesn't mean everybody has to be; it doesn't mean everyone who doesn't have children is somehow an illegitimate human being. So how do we make the case in a positive way, not a bullying and very shameful way? This debate that's going on is driven by an effort to control people—to control who we are, how we look, who we love—and I think we need to call it for what it is.
03:22 Opens in a new window There is a legitimate reason to have a debate about things like migration. It went too far; it's been disruptive and destabilizing, and it needs to be fixed in a humane way with secure borders that don't torture and kill people, and how we're going to have a strong family structure because it is at the base.
Moderator: 03:47 Opens in a new window Secretary Clinton, thank you for that.
Hillary Clinton: 03:52 Opens in a new window And you really mean that?
Moderator: Yes, I do.
