来了。小泽和欧洲同意俄罗斯占有现在的四个州加Crimea,以实际控制线停战,也就是我三年前说的三八线模式

Ukraine ready to give up land to Russia if Vladimir Putin agrees to one key conditio

It has emerged tonight that Ukraine might consider ceasing hostilities and relinquishing territory currently under Russian control as part of a peace proposal backed by Europe.

European leaders have been briefed by Volodymyr Zelensky to resist any deal proposed by Donald Trump that would force Ukraine to give up more land, although the Kremlin could be allowed to retain some of the areas it has captured.

Such an agreement would mean solidifying the current front line and effectively giving Putin control over the regions the Russian military has occupied in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Crimea. It comes after a chilling map pinpointed the 10 safest nations to flee to during a nuclear World War 3.

After a hectic weekend of diplomatic exchanges between Kyiv and its allies, a Western official noted: "The plan can only be related to the current positions held by the militaries."

 

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看来都终于开窍了,但花了三年多。。。唉 -L- 给 L 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 17:43:45

目前战争局势对乌不利,先停战息口气,以后血气恢复再作打算…… -晶体管发射极- 给 晶体管发射极 发送悄悄话 晶体管发射极 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:10:00

2014年乌在美支持下颜色革命,赶走亲俄的合法总统亚努科维奇,美国胃口大,一口气要吞下整个乌克兰 -晶体管发射极- 给 晶体管发射极 发送悄悄话 晶体管发射极 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:12:00

不是吧,普京要的是100%顿巴斯,就是说司机还要往后撤才行。 -孤独的异乡人- 给 孤独的异乡人 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:11:02

对的,普京要乌军撤出顿巴斯。小泽欧洲接受就地停火停战 -- 对他们来说实际是承认战败了。现在是双方要价 -L- 给 L 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:14:50

错了, 接受实际停火线并不是承认这土地是俄的了,只能算是冻结,因为眼下没有能力夺回来,从俄国还没有占领的土地撤军, -Tendy- 给 Tendy 发送悄悄话 Tendy 的博客首页 (147 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:33:37

"one key condition"是什么? -Uusequery- 给 Uusequery 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:26:22

好像是就地停火不撤军 -L- 给 L 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:28:53

对,所以说是:”冻结“, 也就是“咱先不打了”。这帐得慢慢算。 -Tendy- 给 Tendy 发送悄悄话 Tendy 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:35:32

南北韩就是冻结, -80前- 给 80前 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:39:48

不打了就是南北韩三八线模式 -L- 给 L 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 18:50:58

好像欧洲同意的是四个州平分 -越王剑- 给 越王剑 发送悄悄话 越王剑 的博客首页 (36 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 19:22:28

欧公子就是个上不了桌的废材,没人在意他们,原来的默大妈还有点儿话语权。现在一个后面跟着喊爹,一个美国见美就跪的冯妇 -孤独的异乡人- 给 孤独的异乡人 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/12/2025 postreply 20:04:05

平分四州停火也是在法理上行不通的,这样等于承认俄国对四州一半的合法控制权,乌克兰国会通不过的。 -Tendy- 给 Tendy 发送悄悄话 Tendy 的博客首页 (78 bytes) () 08/13/2025 postreply 06:22:26

当然行不通,卢甘斯克俄已占领99%,顿涅茨克,赫尔松,扎波罗热俄都占据70%以上,怎么可能还让乌占一半?乌不同意就接着打 -天青水蓝- 给 天青水蓝 发送悄悄话 天青水蓝 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/13/2025 postreply 07:42:40

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