美国人道的底线面临崩溃:法律可以各有定义,但人伦常纲是普遍的人道底线

法律可以各有定义,但人道的底线是人伦常纲。

美国南部边境,截止五月底,已有2000儿童,有些不到二岁,并强制与父母隔离,被收容在临时设立的营地。这些孩子举目无亲,与父母分离,可以想象他们的精神创伤。

无论你是川粉还是川黑,无论你对非法移民的反对的强弱,在这个人伦常纲上,我相信我们有共同的底线。

GOP的议员Ben Sasse也是强烈反对非法移民,但是把孩子和父母从边境强制分离,他还是强烈反对。他的观点见下。

今天这人道的底线的崩溃,以为这更可怕的非人道法令的大行其径。这发生在他们身上,也可能发生在你我身上。也许,你今天还觉得这不可能,但历史告诉我们这种不可能曾经一次次地发生。

1) Family separation is wicked. It is harmful to kids and absolutely should NOT be the default U.S. policy. Americans are better than this.

2) This bad new policy is a reaction against a bad old policy. The old policy was “catch-and-release.” Under catch-and-release, if someone made it to the border and claimed asylum (whether true or not, and most of the time it wasn’t true), they were released into the U.S. until a future hearing date. Many folks obviously don’t show up at these hearings, so this became a new pathway into the U.S.

3) Catch-and-release – combined with inefficient deportation and other ineffective policies – created a magnet whereby lots of people came to the border who were not actually asylum-seekers. This magnet not only attracted illegal immigrants generally, but also produced an uptick in human trafficking across our border. (We now also have some limited evidence of jihadi recruiters spreading word about how to exploit the southwestern border.)

4) Human trafficking organizations are not just evil; they’re also often smart. Many quickly learned the “magic words” they needed to say under catch-and-release to guarantee admission into the U.S. Because of this, some of the folks showing up at the border claiming to be families are not actually families. Some are a trafficker with one or more trafficked children. Sometimes border agents can identify this, but many times they aren’t sure.

5) Any policy that incentivizes illegal immigration is terrible governance. But even more troubling is that catch-and-release rewarded traffickers, who knew they could easily get their victims to market in the U.S.

6) This foolish catch-and-release policy had to be changed. But changing from catch-and-release does not require adopting the wicked family separation policy. The choice before the American people does not have to be “wicked versus foolish.”

7) The administration’s decision to separate families is a new, discretionary choice. Anyone saying that their hands are tied or that the only conceivable way to fix the problem of catch-and-release is to rip families apart is flat wrong. There are other options available to them. The other options are all messy (given that some overly prescriptive judges have limited their administrative options), but there are ways to address this that are less bad than the policy of family separation they’ve chosen.

8) There are many senior folks in the administration who hate this policy, and who want to do something better.

9) But some in the administration have decided that this cruel policy increases their legislative leverage. This is wrong. Americans do not take children hostage, period.

 

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俺咋没觉得怎么不对呀,俗话说在人屋檐下不能不低头 -Soltek- 给 Soltek 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:53:03

需求庇护不是犯罪。如果是犯罪,那么美国法律为什么允许申请庇护? -千里一盏灯- 给 千里一盏灯 发送悄悄话 千里一盏灯 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:37:54

申请庇护就是移民法中规定的。 -千里一盏灯- 给 千里一盏灯 发送悄悄话 千里一盏灯 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:44:05

国会正在立法改变这项政策。 -ZoyaWashington- 给 ZoyaWashington 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:36:49

他们的父母把他们非法带到美国,制造的问题难道需要美国负责?你带着孩子抢银行,难道警察就不该抓了?是无良父母造成了这一切 -晒太阳的熊猫- 给 晒太阳的熊猫 发送悄悄话 (107 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:37:16

是从他们父母手里抢下来的。有一个父亲因为这个还自杀了 -千里一盏灯- 给 千里一盏灯 发送悄悄话 千里一盏灯 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:43:18

违法不等于犯罪。 -千里一盏灯- 给 千里一盏灯 发送悄悄话 千里一盏灯 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:40:22

有人饿了,到您家门口要个馒头,您就把他孩子抢走? -千里一盏灯- 给 千里一盏灯 发送悄悄话 千里一盏灯 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:49:02

人家可不是拿个馒头就走, 而是要登堂入室和你共同拥有你的一切 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:19:28

而且你要在他有能力自己赚馒头前养着他和他全家。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:20:36

人家不仅仅是要一个馒头, 人家是要带着孩子强行住在你家不走了,你得管吃管住,将来人家的亲戚盆友也要在你家定居,你同意吗? -lixiaobai_9- 给 lixiaobai_9 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:21:08

还要你儿子工作挣的钱为人家生孩子交医药费,为人家孩子上学交费, 卖iPhone,人家还有可能在你家里吸毒,如果你不同意, 那你就 -lixiaobai_9- 给 lixiaobai_9 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:24:52

说非法好了,这个更准确。要不然又得扯重罪轻罪的区别。 -晒太阳的熊猫- 给 晒太阳的熊猫 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:45:42

左派喜欢举着人道的大旗,任意践踏法律 -mobileuser- 给 mobileuser 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:48:42

说得太对了! -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:29:31

大家回复的观点GOP senator 都讲到了。大家各自有道理,但人性讲不讲? -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:50:56

除了强制骨肉分离就没别的办法了? -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:51:35

你有办法的话,请明示。 -晒太阳的熊猫- 给 晒太阳的熊猫 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:53:34

我的意思是,再没有办法也不能拿孩子做办法。 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 11:54:43

我对所有人呼吁。 大人的冲突不能绑架孩子做赎金。必须先停下这非人道的行为。在人道的立场,这和驱赶低端人口没有区别 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (107 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:00:27

但这和孩子有什么关系?即便是罪犯的孩子,他们也是无辜的,他们不因受罚吧 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:06:25

从你做起,领养几个小孩,给这些"可怜的孩子"一个温暖的家,不要让纳税人买单。做不到你就是圣母女婊! -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:35:23

大人已经被关,承受骨肉分离的痛苦了。这里说的是孩子,孩子在承受极大的心灵创伤 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:09:59

明知偷渡违法还要铤而走险,活该被抓,自己违法还带着孩子, 罪加一等,孩子不是违法行为的借口,没有法律规定带孩子犯法就不用伏法。 -lixiaobai_9- 给 lixiaobai_9 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:31

必须先停下这非人道的行为。在人道的立场,这和驱赶低端人口没有区别 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:00:47

请你正面回答,美国公民犯罪要坐牢,是不是因为要跟自己小孩骨肉分离就能免牢狱之灾??? -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:30:52

父母坐牢不是我的议题。我是说孩子被收容,和所有亲人隔离 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 15:44:28

其实就是这些父母用自己的孩子道德绑架美国。自己违法再加上让孩子遭罪。不配为人父母。 -真没什么- 给 真没什么 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:07:53

比中国的户口制度还差么?比中国的留守儿童还悲惨么?…… -polar_bear- 给 polar_bear 发送悄悄话 polar_bear 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:08:46

强制与父母分离,周围没有一个亲人,关在一个完全陌生的地方。。。 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:12:16

你是针对父母,我不辩论。现在的议题是孩子,孩子在受罪。 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:16:05

非洲好多孩子都在受罪呢,死亡边缘呢 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:21:42

所以美国可以让更多孩子受罪吗?你的想法就是人道底线被击破的好办法。只有心够硬,什么都可以做 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:27:21

我是让你关心更需要帮助的孩子。 别以己度人。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:29

比这些可怜的孩子多去了,中国就有很多 -土豆快滚蛋- 给 土豆快滚蛋 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:33:22

你说可比吗?这是孽障,要遭报应的。我不是在咒诅。。。 -citypeasant- 给 citypeasant 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:14:07

要遭报应也是他们的爹妈。利用小孩给自己非法进入美国做铺路石,何其无耻! -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:39:21

过分了 -cczz- 给 cczz 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:20:27

法律各有定义? 看到第一句话就知道这种帖子通篇p话。 -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:26:55

左bi和穆斯林一样 都喜欢用孩子做挡箭牌,做武器。记得欧洲那个摆拍的儿童照片,直接导致几百万穆斯林进入欧洲 -土豆快滚蛋- 给 土豆快滚蛋 发送悄悄话 (41 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:31:38

+1 -harebear- 给 harebear 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 12:37:16

假人道 -toppsjf- 给 toppsjf 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/18/2018 postreply 13:26:26

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