我家用高筋粉包饺子。不需要和很硬。楼上说的对，一定要醒。面包机和KA和面没啥区别。

i had a black and deker cheap bread machine. it worked very well for two years. gradually black oil traces were often seen on the dough. i had ti throw it out. the kitchen aid mixer i am using is a black friday special at walmart. relatively lower power but good for its price. no dough hook when i got it. about 10 to 15 dollors for the hook. it works fine with my meat grinder attchment. can make 3 to 4 cup dough.