DCA 真能提供更好的回报吗?真能“Set it and Forget it"?

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Take an example of Lost Decade (from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2009)

Instead of making one giant investment, let's invest $1,000 per month during
this 10 year period in the S&P 500 index. Based on what we know about dollar
cost averaging, we should be buying random amounts of shares depending on
how the market is doing at that snapshot in time. For simplicity, we'll
assign a cost of $0.01 to each point of the index (for example an index
reading of 1000 would cost $10 per share).

So did we make some money? Well, no. This time we lost 6.8% of our money.

Here is the performance chart

(图贴不上来)

You may think Lost Decade is not an good example, let's take a look at 1-year
performance of 2009, 2010, 2011 DCA vs Lump Sum.

Assumption:

10,000 will be invested in a market investment, following two different
strategies: (a) the whole amount will be invested on the start date; and (b) equal amounts
will be invested at the start of every month for a year, during which the
remaining cash will stay invested in a bank account at a guaranteed interest
rate. 

The market investment is an S&P 500 index fund with annual fees of 0.2%.

The bank account interest rate is  0.1%

2009: Lump Sum = 12415, DCA = 12123
2010: Lump Sum = 11046, DCA = 11107
2011: Lump Sum = 9919, DCA = 9830
2012: ???

DCA will win if your start date falls right before a dramatic crash (like
Mar 2009). But unless you can predict these downturns ahead of time, you
have no scientific reason to believe that dollar cost averaging will give
you an advantage.

So, here is my point:

1. DCA only can not guarantee you have a better return, can not guarantee
you not lose money. It is more of a myth. It may smooth out your portfolio
performance over time, so you do not do panic sell.
2. You need to use other strategies, not just DCA only, to produce better
return.
3. (Not related to this topic) Time is on your side, the only advantage
you have against professional MM is time.

2&3 有点“华山论剑”, 点到为止,每一个都可以引出长篇大论,象asset allocation就
有许多方法,如到底是否include PM, 是否include currency. If include currency,
Swiss Franc是不是best choice?

投资是非常complicated event. Every strategy has its own advantage and disadvantage.
There is no such kind of strategy as "set it and forget it" and you still
make money.

所有跟帖: 

真要做DCA,也应该是那种Weighted DCA,比如在每次突破上次低点时候加倍或者1.2倍资金进入 -trendspike- 给 trendspike 发送悄悄话 (62 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 07:45:51

DCA 是否有好的回报,取决于你什么时候cash out。 -texastrader- 给 texastrader 发送悄悄话 (678 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 07:54:37

非常同意,我一直说 -monkeyboy- 给 monkeyboy 发送悄悄话 (67 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:09:04

老兄,你讲的话句句有道理,句句大实话,就是读了让我这样的笨鸟太沮丧。 -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (1956 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:20:13

每周买彩票,不劳心,不劳力,不劳神,就是中奖机率太低, 建议DCA,奖大就多买点 :-) -monkeyboy- 给 monkeyboy 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:27:09

等哪天,彩票的intrinsic value大于face value,我一定狂买。 -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (468 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:23:59

u can cash out following the same DCA principle! -futufutu- 给 futufutu 发送悄悄话 (120 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 14:33:30

DCA的主要功能是避险--防止一次性买在高点。 -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (368 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:12:35

Are You Sure? This Could Be Another Myth -monkeyboy- 给 monkeyboy 发送悄悄话 (1454 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:21:15

Haha,any calculation would assume something. -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (303 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:26:42

DCA的主要功能是避免错过最低最高点 -rx300- 给 rx300 发送悄悄话 (333 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:37:08

Hi, brother, where do you keep tracting the RSI index? Thanks! -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:40:39

Yahoo Finance, any brokerage account charting tool -rx300- 给 rx300 发送悄悄话 (509 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:49:21

Thank you greatly! -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (190 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:57:19

Still, one more question about the setting: -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (120 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:02:06

typically the default is RSI(14) -rx300- 给 rx300 发送悄悄话 (134 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:10:13

Thanks again! -Morning3evening4- 给 Morning3evening4 发送悄悄话 Morning3evening4 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:11:53

同意。1)DCA;2)避免个股;3)TA+FA;4)长期投资;5)分散投资。 -易木- 给 易木 发送悄悄话 易木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:44:44

兄弟,还是你这个贴子最具有可操作性。谢了。 -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:24:59

据说RSI经历了时间的考验,你为什么只用小部分钱做? -commonsense888- 给 commonsense888 发送悄悄话 (2399 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:54:48

我的主要目标是invest for income -rx300- 给 rx300 发送悄悄话 (4136 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 11:30:01

DDD! -美西游子- 给 美西游子 发送悄悄话 美西游子 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 15:15:49

高手们讲的话,句句珠玑,受益匪浅。会好好想,下步如何走。 -melody2010- 给 melody2010 发送悄悄话 melody2010 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:19:22

同意, DCA不是万能的,但你用Lump Sum作比较不具可比性 -万枫- 给 万枫 发送悄悄话 万枫 的博客首页 (265 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:46:55

不能这样比,lump sum在年初放,dca每月放,那么实际lump sum的钱在市场里比dca时间长的多。 -章鱼MM- 给 章鱼MM 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:04:18

这个MM脑子很聪明,一下就看到问题关键了 -万枫- 给 万枫 发送悄悄话 万枫 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:07:25

谢鼓励~~ -章鱼MM- 给 章鱼MM 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:13:17

DCA不是好或者不好的问题 -monkeyboy- 给 monkeyboy 发送悄悄话 (146 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:16:21

我明白你的意思,但是你的计算方法不够准确。 -章鱼MM- 给 章鱼MM 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:26:12

thanks for sharing! -美西游子- 给 美西游子 发送悄悄话 美西游子 的博客首页 (100 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 11:04:04

DCA没刺激,不适合我这几近气滞血瘀麻木不仁的人。 -雾里看花123- 给 雾里看花123 发送悄悄话 雾里看花123 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 18:35:36

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