China financed the American Revolution, unknowingly

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The Declaration of Independence of 1776 began the American

Revolution officially. At the same time, money became the most

pressing issue confronting General George Washington. Raising a

revolutionary army called for heavy financing. It was no accident

that China trade turned out to be so magnetic to a struggling new-

born America. 

 

The Qing court in Peking (Beijing) had no idea what the American

Revolution was about. Virtually, no Chinese cared. But, they cared

about the astonishing range of exotic merchandise coming from a

distant corner of the world known as America. Chinese paid silver

coins for America's seal skins, otter pelts, sandalwood, sea

cucumbers, and ginseng. Yes, Chinese have a long history of

consuming American ginseng. 

 

In a land of rule rather than law, kickbacks and downright bribes

were expected and practiced to grease the hands that moved the

foreign trade along. Local Qing officials were as complicit as their

American visitors when and where their "mutual benefits" were

concerned.

 

Between 1783 and the early 1800s, America's coffers saw a steady in-

flow of Chinese silver coins. Then, America enjoyed impressive trade

surpluses that helped tide it over until brighter days were on the

horizon. Silver coins shine, don't they?

 

Like it or not, the love-hate relationship between America and China

practically began with the American Revolution.



 
Author: renqiulan 

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中文提要:美国争取独立的同时、开始争取对华贸易的机会。华贸不成则美国革命难成。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 17:55:18

谢谢秋兰的大作。过去对那个时期美国与清朝的贸易不了解。从贸易额的角度看,跟同期欧洲与和华的贸易是什么比例?有一点 -唐宋韵- 给 唐宋韵 发送悄悄话 唐宋韵 的博客首页 (654 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 12:11:35

其实,美国也偷运鸦片,不过不敌英国的割喉竞争。穷则变,变则通,偷买海豹皮等,居然杀出一条财路。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 19:39:09

哇塞!,小R你真是专家啊 -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:04:52

哪里。大抵史家过于偏重西方诸国间的竞争,鲜有详及对华贸易在美国独立战争上的重要---雪花白银是当时的国际通用货币。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:46:40

你这个视角很独到,好像欧洲大陆喜欢美国的毛皮,大清国也喜欢吗? -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:11:17

清朝官绅真是“崇洋(货)”,商贾乘机发财。白银大量流出,明禁实纵。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 18:58:17

中国是大国,要离开它,贸易难生存啊! -lovecat08- 给 lovecat08 发送悄悄话 lovecat08 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:05:39

记得,我老妈存过银元,和银票呢! -lovecat08- 给 lovecat08 发送悄悄话 lovecat08 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:09:48

銀元比诸金元,更普及。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:26:35

美国独立前后,欧洲战乱,贸易艰难。难得白银帝国即中国垂青美货。利之所在,美商自然勤快得可以。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:24:55

花旗参Ginsen, 微州WI 的,以前中国人回国必带。中国也出口丝织品与茶叶,当时美国第一港口在费城。 -AP33912- 给 AP33912 发送悄悄话 AP33912 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:19:00

更多是China, 瓷器, 很早入美。小r好讲解。 -AP33912- 给 AP33912 发送悄悄话 AP33912 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:22:00

If you happen to be visiting Mt Vernon, you'll see -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (44 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:36:54

据悉,中国丝绸,换来美国海豹皮。美商转卖丝绸给西方贵族,又捞一大笔银元。非如此,美国早就破产。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:32:24

以后你一定会写到这些 -老键- 给 老键 发送悄悄话 老键 的博客首页 (300 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:22:26

以先生的洞察力,应该在此发文,使吾辈长识。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:41:46

在美国,海参还可以买卖,鱼翅已不可以了。 -lovecat08- 给 lovecat08 发送悄悄话 lovecat08 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:46:42

Right. Things change. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:49:08

First, congrats to you as a moderator. I like this post. -shuier- 给 shuier 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:52:19

Thanks, shuier! Please give me some feedback. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 19:54:48

You have cut a long story short. That's fine, but... -shuier- 给 shuier 发送悄悄话 (105 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:00:25

Your feedback makes sense to me. I'm glad to hear from you. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:02:23

Maybe you should have mentioned a typical China trader. -shuier- 给 shuier 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:04:56

Good idea.John Ledyard's life would make a fascinating story -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:20:21

You caught the point. Good for you. -shuier- 给 shuier 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:21:52

But then my post would be a lengthy one. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:24:17

True. -shuier- 给 shuier 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:25:47

+1 -寒苇- 给 寒苇 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 05/07/2023 postreply 20:27:15

Thanks, 寒苇! Come join us. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:21:33

美国历史了解得不多。但是喜欢独立战争和南北战争的历史。记得独立战争时的大陆军军费匮乏—— -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (237 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 05:08:01

Washington's Continental Army was, in fact, a ragtag army. -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:08:08

哈哈哈! -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:24:40

Joseph P. Martin's A Narrative of a Revolutionary Soldier -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:13:20

谢谢推荐!英文书看得还是太少,惭愧! -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:26:16

闹革命的一方都是这样吧?大陆军有点像中国早期的红军,查尔斯李有点像张国焘 -花似鹿葱- 给 花似鹿葱 发送悄悄话 花似鹿葱 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:33:19

+100。花姐用“红军”作比较,很传神。两军都败而不溃,最后反败为胜。不好意思,早上匆匆去来。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 07:09:12

misinformation -ahniu- 给 ahniu 发送悄悄话 ahniu 的博客首页 (79 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 06:30:24

谢谢!那时候清代官绅挪用白银买美货,形同“洗公家钱”,不知不觉地给了美方急需的军费。 -renqiulan- 给 renqiulan 发送悄悄话 renqiulan 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 05/08/2023 postreply 07:00:55

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