梁警官案 （汇总）

梁案暴露的失误 ——抛砖引玉

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读有关李昌钰博士谈论梁案辨方宜连串错招的报导，隐隐觉得华裔社区在梁案上可能有的失误：那就是没有尽早挑战不靠谱的指控 不科学的扳机实验，直到陪审团定案，才群情激奋，亡羊补不牢。俺们国人有忍无可忍无需再忍的传统。在法治社会行不通。当然这主要是白人律师的失误，程序中太多的听天由命，他们也压根不知道发动群众一说。还有，参加游行看到极少数对游行不友好的白人路人的举动，觉得游行爆发太过突然，他们甚至可能误会了咱们的诉求和立场，广言之美国普通百姓和媒体没时间预热关注到作出合理反应。

检讨我自己，事前根本不关注，光听说过是颗拐弯的子弹惹的，以为是强辞夺理。直到相信真有子弹拐弯我才改变立场。

所有跟帖： 

• 你真以为是现在定罪后才闹的？去年梁被正式起诉后就有了大规模的游行，看进来。 -水中捞月- ♂  02/24/2016

• 谢澄清，我孤陋寡闻了 -股聋- ♂  02/24/2016

• 不是你的错。这里就有很多人和你一样。 -水中捞月- ♂  02/24/2016

 

梁案的新比方

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[不是搞笑]

我特爱打比方，那就再打个比方：话说你是个菜鸟警察，被上级派去乱坟岗巡逻。正是月黑风高，一片寂静，只听见老鼠喘气，猫头鹰咕咕的叫，和你心跳的 砰砰声。突然脚下窜出一活物，你慌乱中剑出鞘，子弹出膛，不幸倒下去一位无家可归的流浪汉。检察官告你 说坟头能有啥对你有生命威胁的？连人都没有看到你怕个鬼啊！没有威胁就出枪 就是菜菜鸟，犊子警察玩忽悠职守，伤及无辜就是杀人凶手！你说你是啥罪？

什么打枪 抠扳机 使多大劲 那都是障眼法。别跟着绞进去, 跟着就着了道了。

 

所有跟帖： 

回答: 哈哈，一黑人菜鸟警察夜巡唐人街，忽听一声响，紧张开一枪，打死华裔外卖郎？咋判？ 由 浏星雨72

#跟帖#  你见过乡下墓地么？到处都是魂！！（俺南方人，这字咬不准） [时事述评] - 股聋

 

这里玩的是偷换概念 -“使劲才能打枪 = 不是事故 (Accident)” 下面都顺路了

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魔术师玩的是一样的

参见

http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/currentevent/784458.html

 

梁警官案的“最佳”结局

(2016-02-21 22:01:18)

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虽然庭外和解放弃起诉“plea bargain”窗口以经关闭，最终“最佳”结局还是回归到实效上尽可能等同于 “plea bargain”也就是控方 被控方 可以私下接受的结果。比如黑人受害方得到适量抚恤（有补偿， 家属接受并放弃继续追究严惩重罚 梁警官（钱谁出？是否要起诉NYPD 有责？咱非专业人士不知道））， 梁警官有责勉重罪相对轻判（彰显华界游行成效）。

案子之外的意义也达到了， 即下一个案子可以有清零重来的氛围。这才是共赢局面。

”花钱消灾“（谁?)可能更好，反正黑人一方不能既拿钱，又要“命” （梁警官的大段人生， 华人整体利益）

所有跟帖： 

• 可能是5-10M的民事赔偿。对方开始要价可能更高（估计40M) -boxhead- ♂  (35 reads) 02/21/2016

• ”花钱消灾“（谁?)可能更好，反正黑人一方不能既拿钱，又要“命” （梁警官的大段人生， 华人整体利益） -股聋- ♂ 02/21/2016

• Plea Bargain in criminal case is before the trial/verdict -rubikscube- ♀ 02/22/2016

Now that door has closed. And in Criminal trial, the government is not interested in monetary damages, but in verdict in the name JUSTICE.

As to the ensuing civil trial, the stage has been set. The initial damage is 60 m. Liang will be found guilty again for at least 6 m.

In the end, justice is served.

• Agreed! 2 additional possible paths are: -股聋- ♂ 02/22/2016

• Retrial is almost impossible. Appeal has a slim chance of succes -rubikscube- ♀  02/22/2016

Appeal may be possible provided that Liang's attoreny preserved the issues for appeal during this trial. The most likely issue is the examination of Liang's weapon by the jury. Although the judge has discretion to allow the jury to inspect submitted real evidence to the trial, either party may object based on prejudice grounds. If Liang's defence asserted proper legal ground while objecting to the Judge's decision, they may appeal this act as an "error" .

Other than that, there have not been many errors during the trial for retrial or appeal. 

The bar for retial is much higher than that for appeal. Retrial is not conducted by a "higher court." Rather, a retrial or new trial is conducted in the same district court with a differenct panel of jurors. 

However, it is Liang's attorney's job to pick a route going forward after the final judgment is issued in April. They do not have many options.

1）Motion for a New Trial. Grounds:

a) Prejudicial error. Serious error that makes judgment unfair, such as wrong jury instructions

b) Prejudicial misconduct. Party, attorneys, jurors, etc, such as jury considers evidence excluded at trial

c) Judgment against weight of evidence

d) Newly discovered evidence

e) Excessive or inadequate damages

2) Motion to Set Aside Judgment. Grounds:

a) Mistake, inadvertence, or excusable neglect (within a year)

b) New evidence undiscoverable at time of trial (within a year)

c) Fraud, misrepresentation, or misconduct by opposing party (within a year)

d) Judgment is void

3) Appeals

Look at potential errors on questions of law, not questions of fact. For example, 梁的手指在扳机上这个 fact is not reviewable on appeal.

• 我怎么突然发现这整个事件就是个骗局：先重判，再民事索赔，主要目的是勒钱？ -boxhead- ♂  02/22/2016

• Prove it and you can be a hero. -rubikscube- ♀ 02/22/2016

• 这事我自以为想明白了 －从指控到陪审团，甚至于梁自己的辨护团队，某种意义上演出了＂上帝之手＂ -股聋- ♂ 02/22/2016

 

'别拿彼得撒气！Don't Rob Peter to Pay Paul!'

游行口号- 用浅显英文，效果更好。

(2016-02-18 07:34:24) 下一个

因为这事大背景是非裔与白人司法部门由来己久的积怨，最后以牺牲华裔警察作突破口，来缓和另两方的矛盾。

为什么要游行？其他少数族裔要么太彪悍，无人敢惹，要么人太少，不是个例也看着像是受害者。华裔人数众多，母国又日益强势，与美国磨擦不断增多，在这种大环境下，会是众矢之的，不可不防。