1950年二次战役后美就想谈判结束整个战争但老毛不同意并且发动了第3战役。

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1951年之后只谈停战不知结束所以不同于1950。所以5战役后,美军才转变了北进之战略改成第5停火战略目标。

之后你所说”只想呆在堪萨斯线“那是不实际的。再次说明5战役后,大战局势便成为了停火。任何阵地战上对哪方有利的形势发展就多一份有利于已方停火的协议的力量。何为”有利的形势发展“?就是步步为营,通过阵地战改变战线和战场形势来达到逼迫对方停火的目的。对美军而言,虽然放弃解放朝鲜,但必然需要持续攻占北方阵地而不能只带在一条线上,才能达到停战的战略目标。这都是很清楚的事,也是美军一直在干的事,美军自己都这么写,链接都给了,却还在这上面和我扯皮?

战略目标线?没有任何美军文献说过美军战略目标就是”呆在堪萨斯线“,美军只有”停火“的战略目标和达到停火的军事/政治手段。给你看过美军链接。你若有”呆在堪萨斯线“是美军战略目标请给证据,你已经口说无用了。

 

美军写得:

https://history.army.mil/brochures/kw-balance/balance.htm?

Once UN forces reached the defensible positions of Line Kansas and its outpost Line Wyoming, the attack north would stop and measures would be taken to fortify the front. On 11 June the U.S. 3d Infantry Division, in the I Corps zone, captured Ch'orwon on Line Wyoming south of the Iron Triangle. By the fifteenth UN forces had closed on Line Kansas everywhere, while in the west the I and IX Corps had moved in force to Line Wyoming, securing the lateral road running east-west between Ch'orwon and Kumhwa, fifteen miles to the east.

一旦联合国部队到达堪萨斯及其前哨线怀俄明州的防御阵地,北方的袭击将停止并采取措施加强前线。 6月11日,位于I Corps区的美国三维步兵师在铁三角以南的怀俄明线上捕获了Ch'orwon。 到第十五届,联合国部队在堪萨斯州的各地都已经关闭了,而在西部,我和第九军团已经运往怀俄明州线,确保了东边十五英里外的Ch'orwon和Kumhwa之间东西向的横向道路。

拿下堪萨斯巩固防线就可以让其变成攻守兼备的地区了。所以之后,

As March 1951 drew to a close Eighth Army units were nearing the 38th Parallel. However, with indications that the Chinese and North Koreans were massing forces for a spring offensive, Ridgway decided to move even farther north to secure more defensible positions. President Harry S. Truman and General MacArthur agreed. The new advance was divided into two sub-operations code-named RUGGED and DAUNTLESS. The first, Operation RUGGED, was designed to secure a new line, Kansas, just north of the 38th Parallel. The second, Operation DAUNTLESS, would see the UN forces continue twenty miles farther to the north to another line, designated Wyoming. Wyoming would then be transformed into a heavily defended outpost line. When the Communists opened their next offensive, the forces along Wyoming were to conduct a fighting withdrawal south to Line Kansas, while causing the maximum amount of casualties and disruption to the enemy. The main defensive battle would then be fought along Kansas. Ridgway also intended DAUNTLESS to threaten the enemy logistical hub located in a region nicknamed the Iron Triangle, northwest of Kumhwa, a crossroads town twenty miles north of Line Kansas.

随着1951年3月临近,第八军的部队接近第38平行线。然而,由于有迹象表明中国人和朝鲜人正在集结力量进行春季攻势,里奇韦决定向更远的北方移动,以获得更具防御性的阵地。哈里·杜鲁门总统和麦克阿瑟将军表示同意。新进展分为两个代号为RUGGED和DAUNTLESS的子操作。第一个是RUGGED,旨在确保在38th Parallel以北的堪萨斯新线。第二个行动DAUNTLESS,将看到联合国部队继续向北延伸20英里到另一条线,指定为怀俄明州。然后怀俄明州将变成一个严密防守的前哨线。当共产党人开始他们的下一次攻势时,怀俄明州的部队将向堪萨斯南部进行战斗撤离,同时造成最大数量的伤亡和对敌人的破坏。然后主要的防御战将在堪萨斯州进行。 Ridgway还打算让DAUNTLESS威胁位于Kumhwa西北部的一个绰号铁三角的地区的敌人后勤中心,Kumhwa是堪萨斯州以北20英里的十字路口镇。

这更证明堪萨斯线是一条有利于防守的线而非当时的”战略目标线“。李奇微又开始执行Operation Dauntless要让更北边的怀俄明州线变成前哨线并且已定战略让其作为吸引中国军的陷阱。

Map: Chinese Spring Offensive 22 April-20 May 1951

因为中国第5战役打响,让Operation Dauntless失败,李奇微收缩1,9九军回堪萨斯线防守而且还有部队还继续往南退

Map: UN Spring Offensive 22 May-8 July 1951

 

这段和两图不难看出,第5战役之前美军都还有继续北进的企图,但第5战役又打退了回去。

之后,为了回击中国军,美军制定了打回堪萨斯线的防线:

Unwilling to give the enemy a chance to reorganize for another attack, Van Fleet directed the Eighth Army to shift immediately onto the offensive. Once again the goal was to regain the better defensive positions of Line Kansas slightly north of the 38th Parallel. The new UN advance was also designed to exact maximum enemy casualties and, hopefully, destroy or cut off major enemy units. The counteroffensive quickly secured positions along key road networks in the central area around the towns of Hwach'on and Inje, inflicting heavy casualties in the process. Inje and Hwach'on were back in Eighth Army hands by 27 May, and escape routes south of the Hwach'on Reservoir were severed. However, mud, rain, and effective Chinese delaying actions impeded efforts to close all of the escape routes, precluding the complete destruction of enemy forces and supply bases.

On 1 June Secretary of State Dean Acheson indicated U.S. willingness to accept a cease-fire line in the vicinity of the 38th Parallel.

Van Fleet不愿让敌人有机会重新组织另一次袭击,他指示第八军立即转向进攻。再一次,我们的目标是重新获得堪萨斯大学在38平行线以北略微更好的防守位置。新的联合国进攻也旨在确定最大的敌人伤亡,并希望摧毁或切断主要敌方单位。反攻迅速确保了位于Hwach'on和Inje镇周围中心区域的主要道路网络的位置,在此过程中造成了重大伤亡。 5月27日,Inje和Hwach'on再次回到第八军手中,Hwach'on水库以南的逃生路线被切断。然而,泥泞,下雨和有效的中国拖延行动阻碍了关闭所有逃生路线的努力,阻止了敌军和供应基地的彻底破坏。

6月1日,国务卿迪恩·艾奇逊表示美国愿意接受38平行线附近的停火线。

 

美军反攻打回了堪萨斯线,但因政治因素,美国政府决定用当时最前沿的堪萨斯线作为停火线而开启停火谈判,也形成了我写的第5战略的来源。

所有以美军自己写得军事战略来看,美国政府觉得伤亡太大/不止得那样来回打打仗才以有利防守的堪萨斯线上就地谈判。美军则一点都把没有堪萨斯线作为战略目标到达之后就不前进的了,都差一点在其北边的俄明州线布置好了Operation Dauntless。最后因为停火谈判上了两年的打阵地战慢慢得企图北推战线迫使对方接受停火。就这么回事。这就是美军一直往北边打占山头阵地的原因。

我不知你大学看得到底看了什么,但我从美军自己文选里看到的就是这个事实。所以请不要”凭直觉“判断我说得而该是凭”事实“。我给出过多个这样的事实和链接,请你也给出你的,不要凭空话,凭以前看过的,更不要凭什么直觉了。

你没时间?你以为我有多少时间么?若不是我喜欢战争历史,我会费这么多唇舌,时间,精力,于你争辩并且找和看这些英文书,文章,中英文链接,等等么?

所有跟帖: 

联合国军2次战役后提出的停火协议就是以38线为界。这个协议的提出就证明了美军的战略目标线就是38线。 -hkzs- 给 hkzs 发送悄悄话 (2198 bytes) () 02/17/2019 postreply 15:02:47

又来美军空中优势对中国补给线的打击?第三次贴美军对空战成果的总结: -thrawn- 给 thrawn 发送悄悄话 thrawn 的博客首页 (2027 bytes) () 02/17/2019 postreply 16:05:57

这里没啥空战的事。对于空战,联合国军一直控制着朝鲜的天空,志愿军在朝鲜境内的机场一直无法投入使用就是证据。 -hkzs- 给 hkzs 发送悄悄话 (846 bytes) () 02/18/2019 postreply 00:01:47

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