wsj 美国哪些地区的房价最令人不安?

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其实,除了旧金山,纽约,丹佛,其他地区都还没回到历史最高,按通涨调整以后的价格。Boston, Seattle, Portland 回到了一半,San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, DC 还不到1/3, 其他的更低了。

另外,有些地区价格波动明显大幅度低于其他地区。

看来多数地区房价还属正常。当然不能指望房价回到新高,因为那是泡沫价格。

Which Housing Markets Have the Most to Worry about?

Home prices are closing in on their records of the last decade, reigniting fears of bubbles. Time to panic?

In most markets, probably not. A few look overvalued, but that may not necessarily be the same thing as a bubble. A recent article from researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco does a good job of showing how prices have rebounded over the last four years without the leverage-fueled mania that gripped housing markets during the past decade’s bubble. In other words, many of the “red flags” of last decade’s boom “are not evident in the current housing recovery.”

Still, there are concerns from housing analysts that low mortgage rates have allowed buyers to pay more for homes that would look unaffordable relative to incomes if mortgage rates rose to 5% or 6%. “It’s not a bubble, but some markets are overpriced,” said John Burns, who runs a homebuilder consulting firm in Irvine, Calif.

For cities where prices have increased briskly, some economists say worries about “bubbles” have distracted from more immediate concerns, namely the drag on the economy from consumers who must devote a greater share of their incomes to housing.

Would-be buyers face unpleasant choices. “They either have to stretch their finances so incredibly as to be in a precarious situation, or they’ve got to have a commute they view as hell,” said housing economist Thomas Lawler. “Or they can rent and hope things get better.”

So which markets look most overvalued? In July, we looked at how home prices nationally compared with their prior peaks, before and after adjusting for inflation. Here, we’ll run the same analysis for around 20 markets.

We look at the change in the home-price index over the last 25 years, with one line that shows price change in nominal terms and another that looks at them after adjusting for inflation using the consumer-price index.

Three Problem Spots

The biggest problem spots primarily crop up along the coasts in cities that have more supply constraints and in those where job growth and wealth gains have been brisk.

San Francisco: Prices in San Francisco are up 58% since 1990 after adjusting for inflation, which is down just one-third from last decade’s peak.

New York: In New York City, prices of condominiums have set nominal records and are very close to their 2006 real records.

Denver: Denver is the only metro area covered by the Case-Shiller index since 1990 that has seen prices rise to new inflation-adjusted highs. Denver largely avoided the worst of the 2000s bubble and prices aren’t that much higher now than they were then.

Seven More to Watch

Boston, Seattle, Portland: Prices in Boston, Seattle and Portland, Ore., appear to be more than halfway back to their inflation-adjusted peaks and have closed in on their nominal records.

San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami and Washington, D.C.: Other coastal cities are still at less than one-third of their prior peaks, or around where they were before the 2004-06 bubbles inflated in earnest. This group includes San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, and Washington, D.C.

The Rest

At the other end of the spectrum are cities where prices remain at or well below their bubble levels—even after adjusting for inflation across the economy. Rustbelt cities such as Cleveland have lost population, and prices have fallen in inflation-adjusted terms. Clearly, no bubbles to worry about there.

Some epicenters of the housing bust also fall into this camp. In Phoenix, Las Vegas and Tampa, Fla., prices look like they’ve largely returned to their long-run averages. While this means we don’t have to worry about bubbles in these places, it does mean that homeowners who bought or took cash out of their homes during the bubble still owe more than their homes may be worth.

A final group of cities falls somewhere in between. In Dallas and Charlotte, N.C., prices never boomed much and have barely reached new highs.

Others with traditionally inexpensive housing had moderate booms and busts, such as Chicago, Atlanta and Minneapolis, and show few gains, if any, when adjusting for inflation.

Home Prices vs. Rents

Another way to gauge affordability is to look at how home prices compare to rents. Similar pictures emerge here. Prices are more expensive on a historical basis in markets that didn’t have big housing bubbles. Hi, Texas.

With the exception of Miami, prices appear to have leveled off after rebounding over the past four years in the Sunbelt bubble epicenters.

And in California and the Northeast, home prices are back to levels seen in the early 2000s. Housing is more expensive than it was throughout the 1990s, but below their bubble-era highs.

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美联储旧金山分行的研究,看看图片就该明白了。 -commonsense888- 给 commonsense888 发送悄悄话 (448 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 09:47:52

Fed of San Francisco 早前有讲过必须通过加息去压房价 -yourolddad- 给 yourolddad 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 09:49:10

baby boomer在卖房,利息在升,工资在降,就看接盘的有多猛了。越猛越好 -万得福- 给 万得福 发送悄悄话 万得福 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:01:52

美国房价的一般性增长,比起股市和中国等其它地区房产,逊色不是一点半点 -travelworld- 给 travelworld 发送悄悄话 (47 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:03:29

中国房价敞开20年增长奇快是历史原因,因为过去根本就是分房,商品化后加上中国后来经济的快速增长加速了房价和世界接轨。不可能永远这 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (261 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:17:32

我到认为中国房价远未到顶 -travelworld- 给 travelworld 发送悄悄话 (112 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:34:47

中国房价真正起飞是在 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (116 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:45:05

特指一线城市,其他的不知道。 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:53:16

2002-2004北京房价2000-8000左右,后来基本每年翻番。 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:04:46

我在05年大折腾了一下换手, -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (94 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:08:38

一线城市肯定还有的涨,全国有钱人都往那里挤买个房。毕业生往里挤是因工作机会多,工资高出不少。 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:47:21

麦肯锡对中国市场的分析报告早在 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (224 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:52:08

对,最近习主持的经济会议重点就是重启房产。 -travelworld- 给 travelworld 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:54:10

对一线城市开放限购吗? -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:58:59

看似不成 -travelworld- 给 travelworld 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 12:25:25

全世界最后趋势都差不多大城市热点,小城市平稳。中国人口基数大对房子需求多,房子在其他投资中还会是热点。 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:01:58

国人的文化最爱凑热闹。 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (83 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:05:48

在美国我就喜欢住小城市,从一开始找工作就拒绝去大城市,真心觉得美国小城市舒服。其实中国小一点的城市苏锡杭也比一线城市 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (56 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:10:40

我也特喜欢乡村生活,现在住在 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (227 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:13:55

几年去浦东表妹家,绿色稀少,感觉不好。 -travelworld- 给 travelworld 发送悄悄话 (105 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 12:33:51

新需求也不断衍生出来:二胎,户籍改革,棚户改造,改善现有居住面积与条件,城市豪宅。。。 -IEbird- 给 IEbird 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:19:33

对,国人越来越有钱了。工资年年涨什么的。 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:22:48

其实,除了旧金山,纽约,丹佛,其他地区都还没回到历史最高,按通涨调整以后的价格。Boston, Seattle, Portlan -commonsense888- 给 commonsense888 发送悄悄话 (448 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:22:46

圣地亚哥,洛杉矶还没回到1/3?真的? -QKA- 给 QKA 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:41:53

所以老朽说的那边还有机会得到验证了。 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:01:39

米国红脖语: PIPERDREAM. -winxue11- 给 winxue11 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:22:55

那是胡说八道。zillow 一看就知道了。西洛杉矶已经超过2007 20%了 -huntridge- 给 huntridge 发送悄悄话 huntridge 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 13:19:45

西洛杉矶占百分之几洛杉矶?1/4? -BBL123- 给 BBL123 发送悄悄话 (47 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 14:37:00

跟多大没关系。south central可能是最差的区zillow上最坏时也没跌到1/3. -huntridge- 给 huntridge 发送悄悄话 huntridge 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 17:46:24

房价对房租的比的图说明了什么呢? -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (127 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 10:49:30

房价/房租 -QKA- 给 QKA 发送悄悄话 (157 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:47:13

what does that mean for investors? -meowi- 给 meowi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 12:40:18

就是说,芝加哥,亚特兰大,纽约等地 -frombjwithlv- 给 frombjwithlv 发送悄悄话 (150 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 13:52:06

多数地区还有漫长的路要走,我一直认为房价在升到2006年水平前要下跌,但幅度低于20%,不要拿个别区域和我争论。 -QinHwang- 给 QinHwang 发送悄悄话 QinHwang 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 11:41:44

真实情况完全不是图里的样子,一个大的城市,有许多分区, 不同的zip code 完全不同 -amber0912- 给 amber0912 发送悄悄话 amber0912 的博客首页 (161 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 12:51:25

怀疑这张图。 denver房价的确高,但也不离谱。比2009低谷是翻倍了,但20年来。也就略高通涨。 -greenonion- 给 greenonion 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 13:43:19

所以丹佛的房子还敢买吗? -Sylvanas- 给 Sylvanas 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 16:03:46

房子只要是钢需什么时候都可以买,从长远看房价一直是往上涨的。投资就要注意时机。 -爱吃甜食- 给 爱吃甜食 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 12/23/2015 postreply 17:42:36

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